America's Gun Control

From 1980 to 2018, more than 30,000 people have died by police violence in the United States, according to a 2021 article published in The Lancet.

I don’t think red necks or stupid

But it is an issue especially school shootings

Do you think it’s just something the US has and it won’t change?

Perhaps.

That's probably the 'customer facing' level like the way the big big arms manufacturers run US foreign policy.

They don't have gun control they do have 'I will take the amendments I can justify I want'

If it was going to change, it would have happened long ago.

I'm curious with ur comment about not dealing with others problems as everyone has their own. Does that apply to everything? Like not talking to a friend if they have problem because u might have problems yourself. Isn't that just burying ur head in sand incase u upset anyone? Why is it even relevant the UK problems when discussing america? Surely that's just a whataboutism?

That's good. Met Police & the Government not doing so good. And all the other things I pointed out and plenty others.

But the massive increase in school shootings is fairly recent, to the point where they only even started tracking statistics about 20 years ago.

There are other threads on this though. It’s a discussion about something else that is topical. I don’t get the outrage at people just talking about it.

There's whataboutery and there's "first remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."

I don't think people in the UK have any moral high ground at the moment when it comes to pretty much anything.

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people" has got to be one of the most idiotic phrases ever uttered.

Guns may not be sentient beings capable of killing on their own accord but they make it much much easier to for people to kill multiples of people quickly and safely (from the killers perspective).

If that's your logic then tactical nuclear warheads, anthrax, and cruise missiles don't kill people either, but if you even tried to buy one of them you'd be inside a supermax or CIA black site before you could shout "I have the right to bear arms!!!!"

It's not about a moral high ground it's about discussing the horrific events that are causing children to die in schools and why they are happening and what needs to be done. Its literally a discussion forum. U just sound like ur trying to police the conversation which is weird to me.

I think it'd have happened after the Sandy Hook shootings if it was going to happen. 26 people shot dead in an elementary school, 20 of them very young children. A Democrat president in the White House. America is far more divided today after Trump than it was then.

I'm sure you don't Marsha, but it's been said over and over again on this thread and it's the dominant tone in Blue media against the Flyover people. A basic level of respect for people who think differently is absolutely necessary if they're ever going to solve any of their problems.

I am definitely no expert.
Gun reform laws would have a hard time passing. The deepest of the Red really don't trust the Other Side. Rightly or wrongly, they don't. They would feel like it was an attack on them, their way of life, when 99.99% of them are responsible owners, well trained, gun safes, the rest of it. They also know criminal gangs would have no bother getting whatever they want so pointless anyway. Look at drugs for example, banned or not if you want them you'll get them. We don't ban cars because the occasional crazy person deliberately goes the wrong way on the motorway, killing innocent children. I don't know, I think that's the mindset anyway.

There's just so many psychological/emtional/spiritual problems there - well, being highlighted anyway - that I think at root it's just fear. They no longer trust each other. In my darkest moments i think we're going the same way 😓

The second amendment reads

"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Put the commas where you want to, or miss them out altogether like New Jersey, it still does not mention guns.

So where do you live to say U.K. are doing badly? Do you have issues if so how can you say anything.

Some do want to talk about issues outside their own country it’s no big deal.

You don’t think the UK are in a better position with gun massacres in their schools? Of course the UK have the higher moral ground on this issue.

The thing that once made Americans great was a willingness to think differently. Instead of seeing problems, they tried out new and fantastic solutions. It came from rejecting the Old World and it's conservatism and heading out for a New World with boundless opportunities and endless possibilities.

That optimism has gone. Today's US is just as Old World as the European states those earlier generations of immigrants left behind.

As for how to fix the gun crisis? Don't go for the guns. Go for their money. Pass a law to make the previous owner of any gun used in a crime jointly liable for 100% of the compensation payable to the victims of that crime. So manufacturers pay for the crimes committed by purchasers, and former owners pay for the crimes committed by whoever they sold/gave/lost their guns to. And offer an amnesty and an absolute exemption from liability for anyone who has their gun officially destroyed. Then just watch how carefully people will keep their guns locked up. And how carefully manufacturers and gun shop owners (not the state) will vet anyone looking to buy one from them. And watch how expensive the insurance policies will be for anyone looking to transfer this liability. And then watch the numbers of guns available for misuse drop. And then watch how the numbers of guns used in crimes drops. And then watch how demand for guns drops. And so on, and so on. Then come back in 20 years, count the numbers of guns in circulation and count the number of mass shootings and wonder what all the fuss was about back in the bad old days. Simple. Just requires some creative thought.

You’re right, the US has no problem with guns and has nailed all those things too.
A wonderful land of opportunity and no poverty, long maternity leave, no one sneaking across the border, no ‘build a wall and make Mexico pay for it!’, no one crippled by medical bills, a police force known for how balanced it is and how categorically not racist it is, no riots on the streets due to racial tensions…

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"A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Put the commas where you want to, or miss them out altogether like New Jersey, it still does not mention guns.

Good luck getting that reading of the second amendment past the three quarters of the states that would be needed to ratify an amendment to it. And past the SCOTUS who are all about the historicity these days. And past the Americans with a genuine need for guns - a kind of need which generally doesn't exist in the UK. And if you can't imagine what those would be, you probably don't know enough about the variety of things in America.

But it is. People are wringing their hands at other countries while they should be taking a long hard look at their own. But you're not allowed to call out the idiocy of people voting for the most inept, yet destructive Govt ever who are systematically removing human rights and actually costing lives. "Let the bodies pile high" anyone? The sheer hypocrisy of people.

I'm angry because I have to live with the shitty choices people in this country have made and they have the temerity to criticise others.

No one is saying other countries are anywhere near perfect but we don’t have the gun massacres in schools as keep happening in the US.

Well as I didn't vote this current government in , u can stop ur weird anger , so I guess I'm "allowed to criticise America about their insane gun culture"

And also u can be angry at more than one thing.
And also I called it "weird anger" cause u have decided ur anger at our goverment means others cannot talk or think about other governments in other countries.