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America's Gun Control

493 replies

wonderingdaily · 28/03/2023 16:07

Gun violence, I really don't understand it, well i do, but the arguments "for" guns are very weak at best.

How is this still going on, why have they not tightened gun control similar to the UK and other countries.

My heart goes out to the people affected by the recent school shooting.

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Ihatethenewlook · 28/03/2023 16:39

Ironic given that your title makes no sense 😂

MyOtherCarIsAPorsche · 28/03/2023 16:40

DojaPhat · 28/03/2023 16:33

No - they are not stupid but some people place great importance on the right to bare arms.

Surely they can buy all the t-shirts they want if this is their desire.

I was thinking the same with regards to vests. Grin

Avaynia · 28/03/2023 16:40

Most of us want gun control. Our politicians are bought and paid for so ¯\(ツ)

wordler · 28/03/2023 16:41

There are two issues with the school shootings - yes guns make a high body count easier but even in other countries with lax gun laws or access to illegal guns there is not the same level of attacks on schools on the most vulnerable and usually cherished members of society.

What is this rage in America which sets people off to rampage in schools with a desire to kill children?

StarmanBobby · 28/03/2023 16:42

‘Remember: guns don't kill people, people kill people.’

Right. But if you restrict the access to guns for PEOPLE then the PEOPLE can’t use them to kill others.

Guns are now the #1 killer of children in the US. God bless ‘Merica.

NemoandDoris · 28/03/2023 16:43

It is a cultural thing for Americans and their belief they have the right to defend themselves. I have met many and they all love their guns.

If you bear in mind Switzerland and Norway have a higher percentage gun ownership but none (or very few) of the same issues (mainly use guns for hunting) you have to look at the American system for gun ownership.

WalkingThroughTreacle · 28/03/2023 16:44

"Remember: guns don't kill people, people kill people".

True in theory perhaps but guns enable people who want to kill people to do so much more effectively.

route111 · 28/03/2023 16:44

wordler · 28/03/2023 16:41

There are two issues with the school shootings - yes guns make a high body count easier but even in other countries with lax gun laws or access to illegal guns there is not the same level of attacks on schools on the most vulnerable and usually cherished members of society.

What is this rage in America which sets people off to rampage in schools with a desire to kill children?

What is the rage in Britain that sets people off (after pillaging half the world) to deny innocents children asylum and refuse to provide legal routes for asylum seekers so many end up drowning in the sea?

RunningFromInsanity · 28/03/2023 16:45

Nothing will change. We will send the obligatory ‘thoughts and prayers’, hugs our children tonight, say something needs to change, and then get on with our lives until the next lot of children are slaughtered.
It’s pathetic, embarrassing and terrifying.

Coastalvenues · 28/03/2023 16:48

route111 · 28/03/2023 16:44

What is the rage in Britain that sets people off (after pillaging half the world) to deny innocents children asylum and refuse to provide legal routes for asylum seekers so many end up drowning in the sea?

Whataboutery , hardly the same us it?

route111 · 28/03/2023 16:49

Coastalvenues · 28/03/2023 16:48

Whataboutery , hardly the same us it?

Wow! Really?

phoenixrosehere · 28/03/2023 16:50

SecretVictoria · 28/03/2023 16:35

So…why did he do nothing to ban them then?

Because he was a President, not a King and cannot ban them without going against the Second Amendment of the US Constitution. It is also something that is the decision of individual states which again is something from the US Constitution. He nor can any President dictate what 50 individual States can and can’t do.

Strawberries2023 · 28/03/2023 16:50

If the press push a narrative the readers consciously and unconsciously follow. In the UK see RF, M & H, housing crises, Channel crossings, transgender, then wider world - global warming now climate change etc

StarmanBobby · 28/03/2023 16:51

@route111 Do you have a lot of guns at home?

Ponderingwindow · 28/03/2023 16:52

The majority of Americans support gun control.

our legislative system happens to weight the voices of the people opposed more heavily. Geography plays a huge role in our system.

LakieLady · 28/03/2023 16:53

Remember: guns don't kill people, people kill people.

But it's much easier for people to kill lots of people in a short space of time with a gun than with a knife, a cosh or a pair of tights.

SmudgeButt · 28/03/2023 16:53

One can't equate lots of guns to mean there will be lots of violence against other people. I've heard that there are more guns per person in Canada than there are in the US. My own family owns more guns than there are family members. One of my favourite shops to buy clothing is the size of a big Tesco Metro and one wall of that is all guns with a few cross bows & very lethal slingshots thrown in for fun. The difference is that everyone accepts that these guns are for hunting animals. They are not meant to take to a school and start popping off at young students.

I'd like to think that Canadians are more intelligent than Americans but dad was born in Los Angeles and he was pretty bright. Then again he did move to Canada.........

GulfCoastBeachGirl · 28/03/2023 16:54

JustAnotherUsey · 28/03/2023 16:32

On holiday last summer I overheard some Americans talking about guns in US. Sounds like they feel like they need guns to protect them from others that have guns. So suppose it's a vicious cycle. If everyone has a gun then you are more fearful for your life and your home so feel you need that protection.

So only solution is a total gun ban. Probably haven't done it as it would cause a lot of trouble that no one wants to deal with.

You have to factor in the scale of gun ownership in the US. It is estimated that there are over 350,000,000 privately owned firearms in the United States.

Total gun ban? Even if only a third of the owners refused to surrender their firearms how exactly would the government go about forcibly removing over 100,000,000 guns from their owners?

Sturnip · 28/03/2023 16:55

SmudgeButt · 28/03/2023 16:53

One can't equate lots of guns to mean there will be lots of violence against other people. I've heard that there are more guns per person in Canada than there are in the US. My own family owns more guns than there are family members. One of my favourite shops to buy clothing is the size of a big Tesco Metro and one wall of that is all guns with a few cross bows & very lethal slingshots thrown in for fun. The difference is that everyone accepts that these guns are for hunting animals. They are not meant to take to a school and start popping off at young students.

I'd like to think that Canadians are more intelligent than Americans but dad was born in Los Angeles and he was pretty bright. Then again he did move to Canada.........

Your figures are waaay off. The US has 4 times as many guns per capita as Canada.

route111 · 28/03/2023 16:55

StarmanBobby · 28/03/2023 16:51

@route111 Do you have a lot of guns at home?

No, obvs.

But the people claiming they bear no responsibility for the death of asylum seekers when they vote for the evil policies that result in people dying are no better IMO than the 'stupid' Americans. And let's not forget colonialism, slavery etc etc. Or people right now living in poverty, kids starving, old people freezing in their homes. and so on...

gogohmm · 28/03/2023 16:55

I think education levels in a lot of the USA is lacking. Not the big cities, plenty of clever people there but out in the boonies in all honesty I found people a bit naive and lacking in real world experience, believing what they hear a bit too readily. I lived there for 5 years and it was remarkable the difference.

Gullible sums it up rather than stupid, and if their influences say guns are good they believe them. Plus there's a lot of hunting culture too

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 28/03/2023 16:57

They value their guns more than the safety of their children. Even under a Video earlier about the school shooting, one lady said 'like hell I'd give up my guns'. That type of person doesn't care how many shootings there are, as long as they can keep their guns.

Livelovebehappy · 28/03/2023 16:58

I don’t think you can blanket call the whole country stupid. The gun law isn’t anything they can resolve - it’s the president’s job, and it’s too controversial to debate as there are some very strong, high profile citizens who want to keep guns. I would say though that I could never understand why Biden was voted in. Now that really was stupid….

OperationMalena · 28/03/2023 16:59

I don't think we really have a leg to stand on calling Americans stupid when here we have teenage boys going around stabbing people to death nearly every day.

phoenixrosehere · 28/03/2023 16:59

gogohmm · 28/03/2023 16:55

I think education levels in a lot of the USA is lacking. Not the big cities, plenty of clever people there but out in the boonies in all honesty I found people a bit naive and lacking in real world experience, believing what they hear a bit too readily. I lived there for 5 years and it was remarkable the difference.

Gullible sums it up rather than stupid, and if their influences say guns are good they believe them. Plus there's a lot of hunting culture too

Not that much different here in the UK especially considering that majority of the media here is right-wing. How many threads here about supposedly sensible people spouting out what they read in the tabloids about people in benefits, immigration, etc? Or the old if it hasn’t happened to them or anyone they know, it must not be true or exist…