America's Gun Control

And of course not only can amendments not be made to that constitution but the founding fathers absolutely meant everyone should have assault rifles if they want. It says ‘arms’ I suppose, so why stop at guns?
Manufacturers should start thinking about smaller hand grenades for littler hands, many mix things up a bit with some colour, bit of pink and purple to appeal to the ladies. Like they do with assault rifles.
Something for everyone.

I assume you haven't read the full thread as we dealt quite comprehensively with the amendments issue earlier. Most of us in America on this thread are still asleep. I happen to be insomniac tonight.

Just remember that three quarters of fifty states have to agree to an amendment and half of them are controlled by Republicans. The Equal Rights Amendment still hasn't been ratified after sixty years. No President or Congress can override states rights, and we have the most right wing SCOTUS in many years who would certainly strike down anything they deemed unconstitutional.

America - we can’t do anything about gun crime or gun control. Our kids are dying!

Everyone else - we have some ideas…

America - no,too late, genie out of bottle, rights of the individual, good guys need guns, Thoughts and prayers

Everyone else - that worked for us…

America - right to bear arms! Freedom! God bless ‘Merica! Greatest country in the world. U.S.A. U.S.A.

Everyone else- okaaayyyyyy

Wasn't the part where u take means guns a amendment and the literal meaning to amendment means change. U could feel u r entitled to every household having hand Grenades doesn't mean in a modern world u should do. It's about common sense. And just a bit of humanity, and just human decency

@StarmanBobby - I'm sure it made you feel good and morally superior to write that post. Unfortunately it did nothing to address the actual issues on the ground here.

@Rainbowsandbutterflies1990 - posters have now patiently explained what's involved in amending the constitution several times on this thread, the last one only a few posts back. I suggest you read it.

I'm not talking about the difficulites in changing the Constitution. I'm talking about the lack of wanting to change it. hence u mentioning that entitlement is the constitution. Well so what. Yes it would be incredibly difficult to change but common sense should be more important than entitlement. Entitlement to me just sounds incredibly selfish , lacks humanity and not good value.

You have the right to healthcare. Do you feel entitled to it? What do you think would happen if some government just decided to abolish the NHS? Would people go "oh that's ok"?

Health care and guns r not even comparable! It would be laughable if it wasn't so awful! Health care saves lives guns literally kills them.

We're talking about rights and entitlement, not a moral balancing act. Ok so you have a right to a vote. What do you think would happen if some government limited the rights of adults to vote?

Oh, you mean the way the Republican Party does in America every day?

Weird isn’t it that guns are seen as a right in the US, but healthcare isn’t? It seems bizarre that the richest country in the world can’t provide at standard of healthcare for everyone, but protecting the ‘right’ to own an AR-15 is quite literally the hill that many politicians will die on.

Also to add no I don't feel I am entitled to health care. I just luckily live in a society that values it's citizens to not want to cause them potential bankruptcy or avoiding getting health care and make their health worse due to not being able to afford it. And it's a collective care for others and not just ur own interests. As the taxes I pay , pay for my health care and others around me. And maybe if America was more caring for others than so individualised, a big maybe mass shooting might not be a thing. Isn't that what it boils down to the gun 'enthusiasts " care more about themselves than the greater good.

‘You have the right to healthcare. Do you feel entitled to it? What do you think would happen if some government just decided to abolish the NHS? ‘

What a brilliant analogy, now somehow the world make sense again…

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime - perhaps you think there are no protests about the infringement of Republican legislatures on voting rights? I refer you to previous posts on the issue of states rights and the relative weakness of the federal government.

Doesn't that happen in America already? A right to own a gun ( that was decided over 300 years ago when the world was very diffident) isn't same thing as a right to vote a goverment and keep a democracy. I don't think u are going to find a suitable and Comparable thing that's ur gotta moment u r hoping for.

@wonderingdaily - and which particular part of government are you referring to there?

In what way more powerful, in what way faster? Bigger round, more powerful cartridge, different shaped round, faster trigger, faster round?

The AR15 is a platform for multiple types of firearms, other platforms remain available (AK for example) you can pick and choose a huge variety of firearms from that platform.

You can own a semi auto AR15 in the UK.

And ironically as someone mentioned above the process to even be able to vote is very difficult from what I've seen in America. And way more difficult than here. which is showing how possible it is to heavily regulate a right when they feel the need!

@Rainbowsandbutterflies1990 - I think you have a limited understanding of what a written constitution involves. The British constitution is largely unwritten and based on case history so is infinitely more flexible than ours. You simply can't talk airily and dismiss something as "decided three hundred years ago". It's meaningless to do so.

@Rainbowsandbutterflies1990 - I have never found it difficult to vote, but then I am white and I live in a Democrat controlled state. If I were black in Alabama it might be different.

I don't need to have a massive understanding. I dont even know if there is a British one , quite honestly, because we dont use something that was written in 1700s and claim, we r entitled/ have a right to things because it say in a 300 year old document. ;but then on other hand change things to make it difficult for some the right to vote like, the black people in alabama . So basically pick and choose what we decide benefits us.

Want to add I am very aware that is isn't as simple as just entitlement. There is fear of what other would do, the shuting the door once the horse has bolted , I am not nessasery thinking that banning is the answer. I just find the sense of entitlement super annoying. And not good enough reason to not do anything. And u haven't convinced me that sense of entitlement is acceptable.

@Rainbowsandbutterflies1990 - the British constitution (and yes there is one - it's just more obscure than the American one) based much of the rights you enjoy on Magna Carta, which was issued in June 1215 and was the first document to put in writing the principle that the king and his government were not above the law, limiting royal authority by establishing law as a power in itself.