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To wonder how the bloody hell people afford private education for their kids?

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HarderToKidnap · 25/06/2010 19:58

Thinking about TTC and getting WAY ahead of myself I idly googled the local private schools. Bloody hell!! HOW do people afford this? My DH and I earn 100k between us every year so certainly not poor, but with a mortgage (on a two bed terrace) and other, what I consider to be reasonable, outgoings there is just not a way it could be done. So all these children being privately educated, do their parents earn masses and masses? Or am I missing a trick?

(Incidentally I wouldn't send my kid to private school - comprehensive was brilliant for me and if a child is going to do well they will do well, I believe. Was just wondering.)

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BeenBeta · 30/06/2010 19:42

southeastastra - exactly the same where I live.

My nearest 3 Primary schools are a VA Catholic school which is oversubscribed and hence places only go to Catholic baptised and church attendng children. It is the best resourced school in the area by far. Our DS cannot go there even though it is 5 minutes walk yet Catholic children are driven over 1 hour to go to it from all over the county.

The other Primary CofE school is in special measures as the alcoholic Head was removed recently. Our Dss are eligible and plenty of places (any wonder why) but seriously would any parent want that?

The only other option is thr private Prep my DSs go to. In fact children go to the nursery ay my DSs school and then immediately leave to go to the VA Catholic school the minute they reach age 5.

I pay my taxes for children to go to a VA school which is virtually free and much better than my DSs school but to which they cannot go even though they live a few minutes from it.

I have to pay because I have no choice and frankly it ticks me off that people criticise me for it but say nothing about VA schools that take resources out of the state sector.

MumNWLondon - NOT having a go at you by the way. Thank you for the explanations. I would like all parents to have choices similar to the VA model (perhaps Michael Gove will deliver that by accident) and then perhaps not so many would be forced down the private route or forced into rubbish state schools as their only choice.

Anniebee65 · 30/06/2010 20:08

Just reading this thread. Wow, some schools are really expensive!

Ds will go to a private secondary school when he's 12. The cost will be €2850 a year plus all the extras like books, uniform, sports equipment, trips etc costing approx €1000 per year.

It would be hard to spend anymore than that unless your dc attended Blackrock College in Dublin or Clongowes in Kildare (Ireland's Eton and Harrow). €17k per year.

Dd has special needs and will therefore not go to private school, and she gets fantastic services anyway tbh, so we are really set up with our options for her and are incredibly lucky. We moved here from the UK to avail of this service 12 years ago when she was only a year old, and we are staying because of it.

With both of us working we can definitely afford to send one child and we'll definitely do it. It's a great school, one of the top ranking schools in the country and I want to give this opportunity to him. And we can, so we will.

angel1976 · 30/06/2010 20:20

Been interesting to read this thread as I am from a country where the state funds all the schools (in my days, it's changing now though...) and I went to the best high school in the country based on merit and I loved it. I can't really understand the whole private/state/grammar school issues completely and get very confused. Anyway, on DH's insistence (BTW, he is not posh but did go to a very good grammar school), we went to the open day of a local prep school today (the best one in the area) and I was very impressed!

All the teachers were so, so lovely and seem very inspired. The school had lovely grounds. The kids seem so well-behaved and well-spoken. They had specialist teachers in every subject. Saw a group of kids rehearsing a sing item for a play and got a tear in my eye just thinking about the opportunities my DS1 will have that I never did if he goes to this school (my primary school experience in my country was adequate but basic, no drama on the curriculum!). My DS1 currently goes to a fabulous nursery attached to a local primary (one of the worst performing in the area) and the feel of the two schools could not be more different.

I am completely torn now... Will keep an eye on this thread!

MumNWLondon · 30/06/2010 20:23

BeenBeta - I guess the problem now with distance from school policies in VA schools, is that as you are only eligible for ones of your faith, if you live too far away from them, then you don't have the choice. Many of the children at jewish schools, both primary and secondary are jewish by birth and are not practising.

I agree re: the new schools by Michael Gove, I'd love to see VA language primary schools, operating on a similar model to the faith school model, but parents asked to contribute extra to cover the costs of say 50% of the instruction in another language, but the school still being accessible to those who can't afford the top up.

BeenBeta · 30/06/2010 20:40

Interesting. Been spending time looking at the New Zealand education system. As I understand it, there is a mix of private schools, VA and state schools.

All schools get state funding but he amount they get depends on the amount of economic deprivation in the area and the type of school. As far as I can see, pretty much all scools require some kind of contribution from parents but obviously very low in areas with low incomes.

That might work in the UK and fairer to all.

PosyPetrovaPauline · 30/06/2010 20:47

anniebee howcome so cheap?

littlepalaces · 30/06/2010 21:42

On 100k, depends on priorities. Once started in private school it is harder to move to state system and many families I know beg, borrow and steal (not literally but sounds more poetic) from rellies, also remortgage house etc to meet costs. Remember it's not just fees, also uniform, trips, clubs,coaching at school etc.

Anniebee65 · 30/06/2010 21:56

I don't know Posy, all the fee paying schools in my part of Ireland are at that price or cheaper. I am talking about day pupil rates, boarding is about 3 times that.

Only a handful of schools are at that really high price.

We were talking on €80 for books thread about the cost of living in Ireland v UK. I guess this is one area where we get a bit of a deal...

We might even qualify for a bursary and get it at half that. I wouldn't apply unless we found ourselves in financial difficulties after he was already enrolled though.

PosyPetrovaPauline · 30/06/2010 23:04

i REALLY want to live there now - is it southerm ireland ??? west coast ??? my fantasy future swiftly becoming reality

Anniebee65 · 30/06/2010 23:14

South West Posy, but you might want to check out the €80 for school books thread before you sell up ;)

Swings and Roundabouts...

Coralanne · 30/06/2010 23:49

Both My DC's attended private schools, as did I.

DS doesn't have any DC's.

DD has 4 and they are home schooled. The 2.5 and 1 year old are already caught up in the home school ethos as they want to imitate what the 5 and 7 year old are doing.

2.5 can already write her name and has a great interest in reading. She also goes on all the excursions to museums etc.

Rocky12 · 01/07/2010 09:55

If they are just day school fees (shocking anyway) they are about the same as UK. Eton, Harrow, Charterhouse etc are really full boarding schools and consequently the price shoots up to approx £30k per year. Have you seen what young lads eat every day!!

abr1de · 02/07/2010 15:43

Trouble is, BeenBeta, that New Zealand schools aren't actually particularly good, by international standards.

www.act.org.nz/education-policy

Butkin · 02/07/2010 15:50

We can afford to send DD to private school because we both work (about 70K a year between us) and get assistance from GPs. We couldn't afford it if we had more than one though.

slug · 02/07/2010 15:51

Interesting that abr1de as the changes to the A levels (to include AS levels) was modelled on the NZ system as it was seen as providing a broader based education with less in the way of drop outs.

Acknowledging that the schooling system is failing students is not necessarily the mark of a poor system, rather that of one that examines itself and seeks to improve.

BeenBeta · 02/07/2010 19:52

abr1de - thats odd. I have read NZ is ranked very highly in PISA and equal first with Denmark, Finland, Australia in the UN Human Development Index.

UK is ranked much lower or much lower in both surveys.

I guess it depends what and how you measure.

AngelsOnHigh · 03/07/2010 05:14

abr1de The article in question is a political statement. I don't think anyone takes any notice of political statements.

OZ and NZ educated teachers abound in the UK system.

I think that the major problem is that there is still a huge class divide in the UK.

There seems to be a huge divide between public and private education.

In OZ, if you feel that way inclined, fees for private schools are relatively cheap. Of
course you have the elite private schools, but academically their results are not any better than your normal selective state high school.

At the end of year 12, all children, however they are educated, have access to whichever university they wish to attend.

The wealthy families usually pay their fees upfront while the less financial families usuallu use the government HECS systems whereby the fees are paid through the students tax when their income reaches a specific level.

A students' financial situation never precludes them from attending the universiy of their choice.

A prime example of this is Australia's new Prime Minister. A child of Welsh immigrants, educated at a state school.

I think when choosing a school for your child,you have to be completely honest with yourself as to your motives for choosing a particular school.

If you can easily afford the fees for a good private school because you wish your child to mix with the "better class" of child and not with the riff raff, then go ahead.

Remembering that at the end of the day, they catch a bus and a train and attend university with people from all walks of life.

If you can only afford to send your child to the local state school, again, be proud of your child's achievements because what they learn at home is the most important thing in the end.

Shells · 03/07/2010 08:10

yes abr1de, ACT are a rather horrible right wing rectionary party in NZ - not to be taken seriously in terms of their assessment of the education system.

BeenBeta · 03/07/2010 08:35

Angels/Shells - I read the piece and ACT are not an organisation I had ever heard of. I suspected they had a political agenda.

Yesterday afternoon, I spent some time on a state school website in Auckland and it looked like the kind of school most parents would be happy with in the UK and TBH it looked just as good as my DSs Prep now.

I know there must be bad bits to NZ education but as we are hopefully emigrating there it is something that is very important to us and I just hope it is as good as I have been led to believe.

AngelsOnHigh · 03/07/2010 09:15

BeenBeta have only visited NZ twice, but believe me you will be amazed by the quality of life and schools there.

OZ is even better.

Much more fast paced though if you live in Sydney.

H2TEN1 · 01/05/2023 00:49

That’s nonsense. You’d do everything in your power to provide the best education for your children. I come from a non private education as does my wife and we have done extremely well for ourselves. Given this fact we are still sending our children to private school only because we couldn’t have it and we can now afford it for our children.

AndTheSurveySays · 01/05/2023 01:24

Why the hell have you resurrected a 13 year old thread H2TEN1?!

H2TEN · 02/05/2023 23:32

Does it matter when the thread started? Is there anything irrelevant I’ve mentioned? What’s so old about this that I’ve missed exactly compared to current times?

H2TEN · 03/05/2023 00:47

I agree. Nowadays you’d need to earn at least 200k net to afford a private education for 2 children between the 2 parents. This would allow you to have decent holidays alongside the fees

Jonniecomelately · 03/05/2023 01:05

muminthemiddle · 25/06/2010 23:34

I think 100k is a huge amount to earn.

I am shocked that you think that private education is out of the question when you earn this amount. How do you think ordinary people live?

I seriously thought that people on much lower incomes sent their kids to private school. (I don't include myself in this as I simply don't earn what the school fees are).

Someone on £100k earns about £65k after tax and pension contributions. Private schools around here are around £40k for 2 kids. That leaves £25k per year for everything else.

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