To expect the Doctor to respect my wishes?

[loumum3]

I have not vaccinated my youngest child. I have done this after much research and made an informed decision. The Doctor's surgery has phoned me several times now and written requesting I go in for a discussion about this. I haven't got time for a visit to discuss this, nor do I want to so I said if I had to, I could talk about it on the phone....I have had the Doctor on the phone this afternoon grilling me about my choices, really trying to scare me into having the jabs done and trying to make me feel bad. She cannot see my point of view at all and has been very rude.

Is is really too much to expect a Doctor to respect the decisions I make about my own children ?

Has anyone else experienced this ?

Well quite. It was new, and not just newly diagnosed.

How do you know that mercury poisoning was more common among children before, rather than after, it was injected in vaccines as part of vaccination programs? Where are you getting that from? Can you link? Or a quote, and I can find it myself?

Bruffin have you got a graph for that.

Being as how those figures stood the test of time for quite a while, I would like to see that "discrediting".

graph as requested

Vaccine related conditions (I feel) do exist.

But I just hope that you guys don't live in an area where disease is very common and very few of your friends have been given immunity against anything.

I have - it isn't pretty.

Yes I am interested but it sounds like a lot of trouble. I can have a go myself.

Bruffin that's case notifications, not deaths.

However as I said "measles was down" (just checked my post), fair play. I should have said measles deaths.

"ps re childhood diseases, surely everyone knows measles was down by 98-99 pc before vax introduction. "

you didn't say deaths

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Regressive autism without MMR

Obviously a highly scientific source, sorry...

op Your gp is concerned about the welfare of your child.Your gp is making a far more informed decision than you are and is professionally qualified to do so.

I went through this when my DD was (much) younger.
I experienced terrible trauma in reaching my decision; it made me physically sick/ill. This was 10 years ago.

I was so scared.

I'd organised seperate MMR jabs in France (it wasn't so easily available in the UK at that time; only London, and it was quicker/easier to fly to France from my regional airport).

All was arranged and then there were outbreaks of Measles at 4 local nurseries.

I had a Sunday school trip when I was about 8/9 years old.
One of the boys on the trip (the quietest/shyest boys you've ever met); started marching up and down the coach singing loudly, shouting, waving his arms about etc.It continued throughout the day and he was a real handful.

He died a week later from meningitis(encephalitus)sp ?? acquired from mumps/measles???

We'd all had it at the same time; about 4/5 years previously as we shared the same nursery/school. There wasn't a vaccine at the time; we'd all just caught it.

Years later it killed him.

With the outbreak in the nurseries in our area, I decided that the MMR and all it's perceived dangers, was better than a dead child five years down the line.

Why would a GP be any more informed than any other member of the public? They went to medical school and were taught that vaccination is a holy cow, beyond reproach.....the ones I have come across are not publishing research. They are simply doing their best with the materials they have. Which are somewhat limited in a wider context of vaccination concerns.

I trust her account.

Note: there were signs beforehand. Also she doesn't say that he didn't have the infant vaccinations.

However, I still trust her account. Why don't you trust the accounts of other mothers who describe regressive autism without MMR?

Bruffin I am pleased that you provided the graphs in response to BTTAT

They were very clear, and showed the irresponsibility of not getting immunised.

But GPs often haven't read the research Pixie and for your information I personally know a GP who has the same concerns about vaccination that I do.

Yes, well, great - our nurse also had the same concerns, however I feel that those who choose not to vaccinate have the luxury of doing so knowing that that their child gets a certain level of protection because the majority of the popululation has vaccinated.

If this were not the case then what?

that's rubbish, give it a go. Most of us on this thread who said we don't vaccinate have also stated that we don't 'rely on others'. I don't see it that way because to me vaccination is not the holy cow we're led to believe it is.

Yes electra but as the majority of parents get their kids vaccinated it means you have the option not to in the knowledge that your kids will have a low risk of getting these illnesses.

That's a luxury. Not rubbish.

No, I have the option to do what I think is best for my children which I make no apology for. I don't consider it a luxury not to be forced to sign my child up to an invasive procedure that I disagree with - I consider it a human right.

Nobody on this thread shouting 'irresponsible' has addressed any of the concerns that I personally have about vaccination which I have outlined. The herd immunity idea is all very well but it leaves the inevitability that some children are damaged - the unsaid implication that they are expendable for the greater good is unacceptable for me, particularly when the government refuses to take responsibility for when things go wrong.

backtotalkaboutthis , your comments re: why Andrew Wakefield 'study' was discredited just seem to confirm how little some people know about case and effect, correlation and causation.

The investigation into Andrew Wakefield had little to do with the results he 'presented' (heterogeneous sample of 12 was far too small to make any suggestion of correlation between vaccs and the symptoms, much less the conclusions drawn).

The investigation was due to highly unethical behaviour, including not gaining ethical approval, dishonesty and consent issues.

The ethical way of looking at this is via large scale observational studies (preferably prospective), as the development of autism/adverse vacc effects are rare.

There is an epidemiological study here: www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/325/7361/419

It considers data from a very reputable source, from 211 480 children over 11 years; out of these, 66 had definite autism, 30 possible autism...so you can see what a rare outcome this is generally for children born in those years. These 96 were no more likely to have GI symptoms than the matched controls. This study refers back to other studies that are also large and show no increase in autism due to introduction of MMR.

www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/325/7361/419 is another large study (active surveillance in the UK), that looks at the new vaccine vs. old.

Does this answer the vaccination issues raised in this thread? No...this is more to show the difficulties of conducting valid research, because the incidence of autism and vaccination related adverse events is so small.

Does that mean that they don't exist? Of course it does not mean adverse events due to vaccination do not exist, or that they are not serious - as others have stated, they can be devestating for the families concerned....but so are the effects of the diseases.