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to be sick of people saying...

168 replies

Harimo · 12/05/2010 14:44

... that the tories / lib-dems only care about themselves and have a 'as long as I'm alright jack' attitude,..

yet. all the people complaining about it are the ones who are worried THEIR benefits will be cut (and two that I know shouldn't be on benefits in hte first place as they are both on JSA and patently not looking for work )

But, these self same people don't give a jack about the people paying more tax to keep them in benefits.

Double standards, IMHO.

And, yes, I'm prepared to be crucified.

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ABatInBunkFive · 13/05/2010 14:37

Oh i'll be with her, wouldn't miss those facial expressions for the world.

sarah293 · 13/05/2010 14:40

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mamatomany · 13/05/2010 14:42

For ctc, child tax credit ? I'm talking about income support and JSA and the children's saving are included in household saving it's not one pot for mummy, one pot for daddy and one for the children which plenty of people would easily add up to £6,000.
So take the piss all you like but as somebody else stated earlier tackling fraud is the easiest way to start refilling the pot, it's where they will start IMO.

posieparker · 13/05/2010 14:51

Best way to refill the pot is a fairer tax and benefit system, too easy to tackle those evil people that top up with £20 cash in hand here and there....best to stop giving away banking bonuses, or help people help themselves.

homebirthmummy4 · 13/05/2010 15:00

my exh GAVE UP his job within a fortnight of getting the CSA bill. he already owed his children hundreds in unpaid csa. they will never see it. he is now on jsa doing 'gigs' with a band for cash. he does not provide a penny for his children. he sees them at the weekend and takes them to his mothers for a proper meal. other than that he wont even take them for a picnic. his kids ask him regularly about work, even giving him job adverts, he says they are all 'too degrading' or 'i'm not working with the scum that do that job' meantime he is buying new guitars/amplifiers/music systems etc.. it is really annoying as i feel we (and all other working people) are paying for him more than twice iyswim (benefits, no csa plus 'dodgy' income) i cannot blow him up to agencies as he would take it out on kids. but at the same time i see a genuine need for so many people to receive benefits and for those people i do not begrudge a single penny.

prettybird · 13/05/2010 15:07

I think, if I were still earning waht I earned last year, that I should be paying more income tax - I could have afforded it.

Many (many ) years ago whne the basic rate of tax dropped from 33%, I remember being against the drop becaseu it we want the sort of public service that we say that we want, then we need to be prepared to pay for it.

As it is, I got made redundant last year and after 6 months on contributions based JSA, I signed off as it made no point continuing to sign on just for the NI contributions.

I have now started doing some consultancy work - and really should be registering for WFTC - but still have no significant income coming in to the house (as dh is also in the early stages of starting his own business). So at the moment, I would be one of those that would probably benefit from the the proposed changes.

We, as a society, need to be prepared for some pain becasue of the debt that we, as individucals and as a country, have got ourselves into.

BTW - I am actually a life-long socialist (can't claim to be Labour any more - they left socialism behind when John Smith died ) - but am happy and hopeful that we might actually be seeing a paradigm shift in British politics where tohse in governemtn see "compromise" as indiciative of strength and not weakness.

So, to answer the OP - YANBU

colditz · 13/05/2010 17:48

You are seriously accusing me of benefit fraud because my father bought me a Christmas present, Mamatomany?

You have been misinformed, and I'm sad for you.

StephysFamous · 13/05/2010 19:57

mamatomany
rubbish!

nixnjj · 13/05/2010 20:30

I'm a single mum of 1 and am on benefits and I hate it, as someone said earlier I have enough to keep a roof over our heads and fed us but nothing for treats or extra's and am struggling to find work. I do appreciate however how lucky I am to live in a country where I'm not left to starve. I have a couple of elderly neighbours who I help out with shopping, gardening, general if i see something needs doing i do it. My lo started school last september and I am avaliable and happy to take care of his classmates whose parents work if unwell etc, a couple of mums drop their lo's off in the morning to save on childcare costs and another comes home to play after school.

I also know of a couple of mums who claim to be single parents while their bf live with them. One is pregnant again and was moaning that her partner will have to pay £5 per week out of his sickness benefit ?? He is a farmer with his own property which he rent's out & she happily updates her FB status to announce her plans for the weekend or next shopping trip.
Yes I have made a phonecall to the fraud department about these people, but to date nothing appears to have happened

Personnaly I agree that "willingness to work" should be part of the claiming process if able. Why can't single parents help and elderly neighbour or a parent with a disabled child. If jobless whats to stop you picking up litter or spending a few hours in a classroom sorting supplies or reading with children.

I do feel strongly though that people should stop focusing on the parent left to cope and more on the person who runs on on their responsibility. Parents who leave jobs to avoid CSA payments should not be able to claim for any lenght of time ( I do admit I might be a little bias on that point thou

sunshinenanny · 14/05/2010 17:45

nixnjj, So you reported someone and nothings been done about it? Maybe you got your facts wrong. How come you know so much about anothers life? One day someone may see a mum dropping off their child at your house and get the wrong idea and report you for elegal child minding while on benefits!

Take care when you report others that you have your facts right. What goes around comes around and because we think someone is getting something for nothing, without proof is a dangerous thing

pagwatch · 14/05/2010 17:59

Isn't there a bit of double standards when people complain all the time about benefits andthe burden on taxpayers but few of us refuse child benefit on the grounds that we don't need it?

(I have actually but I am apparently extremely foolish and really very rare)

bronze · 14/05/2010 18:26

I've just been filling out a jsa form and you have to declare if your child has savings of more than 2500
they also wanted our insurance details even though we used dhs redundancy to pay the mortgage as dh has just started a 6 month contract after being out of work for 6 weeks. If we claimed [on the insurance]now we couldn't claim again at the end of the six months. To be honest I don't see what it has to do with them as they weren't paying our housing but they want to know every detail including anything that we are paid or gifts given above a certain value (can't remember sent it off today)

expatinscotland · 14/05/2010 18:34

Oh, pag, there's another lovely thread all about just that topic .

pagwatch · 14/05/2010 18:36

oops Expat - is there?

I should find and hide probably ...

expatinscotland · 14/05/2010 18:39

it's here.

it's actually going a lot better than this one, though .

pagwatch · 14/05/2010 18:42

I'll get some wine and come back...

expatinscotland · 14/05/2010 18:52

it's worth a read, despite a few DM comments, it's been a fairly rational discussion.

nixnjj · 14/05/2010 21:56

Sunshinenanny I know for a fact as she has openly told me of this?? As for illict childminding I'm not stupid and have spoken to a lone parent advisor who assures me that as long as no cash is exchanged there is no problems. By your comments do you think that benfit fraud is acceptable ?

IveStillGotIt · 14/05/2010 22:17

I reported the local 'head of the jeremy kyle type family' to the fraud squad, and im so glad and abit smug that I did!!!
She has umpteen kids to differant dads, and a boyfriend 'who only stays 3 nights' NOT!, his works van was parked, IN HER DRIVEWAY!, every night of the week!!!
She had money to burn before I reported her, i.e bingo twice a week, 100 fags a day, latest trainers and games consoles for her asbo yob brats e.t.c, But that soon stopped, as the DWP actually did their job for once and stopped all my taxes going to her, after they spyed on her or whatever it is they do!
She's had to sell her car, cause she can't afford to run it anymore cause "some cunt stuck me in" aye me, lol, (i cant keep a straight face when I speak to her now, ha ha!), and I feel so smug when im sat in my DECLARED dp's car, and she's walking up the road in the pissing rain!!!

toddlerama · 14/05/2010 22:53

I'veStillGotIt what on earth is so lacking in you that you find joy in hurting another family? If you think someone's cheating by all means report them for investigation, but to take such pleasure in doing so says a lot more about you than it does about them.

IveStillGotIt · 14/05/2010 23:15

toddlerama- I DID NOT hurt another family, they hurt themselfs by fiddling their dole to the expense of decent familys taxes, and I feel I did the right thing by reporting this scrounger, and the DWP obviously agree with me, or else they wouldn't have stopped all her illegaly claimed handouts otherwise!!!
And yes it does give me great joy seeing her get soaked in the rain, cause she's a cow and her family are scum, and every penny they had to spoil their asbo yob brats, was money they were not entitled to in the first place!!!

mamatomany · 14/05/2010 23:22

StephysFamous that list is not exhaustive by any means, you need to see the latest JSA forms (Jan this year under Labour before anyone wets their knickers).

bronze · 15/05/2010 08:57

I agree mama. Dh had to fill in a form at the jobcentre for cont, jsa. then later I've just filled in the IB JSA form. 40 pages or there abouts. That list is a very simplified version

Original poster
Harimo · 15/05/2010 13:30

Sorry, toddlerama, that is total cobblers!!

I wouldn't hesitate in shopping someone I knew fiddling dole / benefits.

I know a couple of people who I personally don't believe deserve them, but they ARE NOT fiddling them.

See, you have just come back to my original point: In your view, it's OK to fiddle dole etc., but you have ZERO concern / thought for the family who has had to pay those taxes.

Yes, some of those families are 'super rich' but the vast majority are just normal familes working hard and paying their way (and NOT fiddling it

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ABatInBunkFive · 15/05/2010 13:50

'as the DWP actually did their job for once and stopped all my taxes going to her'

Well i hope you don't use the NHS as i don't want my taxes going to pay for your treatment.

Is this a new thing where people get to say where there taxes go, or are only the great and good grasses told what their taxes go on?