To think that certain people should be banned from public parks

[ElleBing]

We have a really lovely park near where we live. It's really big, with lots of grassed areas for picnics etc then an enclosed play area.

DH and I took DS there yesterday for a quick run around before dinner time. I noticed that a group of chavs had set up camp next to the enclosed park whilst their kids ran amok inside. The chav parents were sitting on the grassy bit drinking cider, eating junk food and swearing. Two of their kids started fighting one another and rather than try and intervene, the person who I assume was the father sat in the kids' pushchair screeching at the LOs to stop fighting. They carried on drinking their cider before deciding they were going home to "watch Nanny McPhee on pirate wiv a bag ov chipz" then when the motehr of one of the LOs wanted the child to leave the play area she started shouting "come on will ya pooface" Eugh?

All of the other parents were doing cats bum mouth, not just me. I wanted to tell them to shut up with their common mouths and bad language but too middle class, you see? I'dlove to be able to stand up to these people who make life unpleasant for everyone else...

Anyway, DH were talking about them and I said that people like them shouldn't be allowed in parks. They should have an admissions policy. AIBU?

pooface wasn't my beef it was the other terms used, that OP mentioned.

Rofl at 'kylie'

mn by numbers
and fyi mn often used as copy by journos

did wee kykie have pierced ears.if so do mention it elle.that will really get em foaming at the mouth

No self respecting chav would call there kid kylie ..thats an 80s name surely

I've been told off before ofr not including enough detail in my OP. So in this OP I've painted as full a picture as possible. Now I'm being berated for including too much detail.

I guess that some MNers will never be happy...

Where do you think the little darlings at school hear words from Elle??

aye mn is used by journalists.big whoop di do.nowt here is secret.isnt a cosy wee chat with pals.it is visible and reproducible.hell mn did a deal with dm didn't it,provoking a big thats it im offsky revolt,that never quite happend

ach ellle do keep posting.i like the minutiae

OP - YANBU at all. We, as well as several other families we didn't know, left our lovely local park last weekend due to an invasion of similar guests. We freely admit to being what is often called judgey - but we prefer to see it as being concerned about what our DC are exposed to during the years where we CAN control it. Though I don't believe that anyone can be completely non-judgemental, I am always surprised when those that say they are think that everyone should have the right to do whatever they want in a public place. Sorry you've had such a rough time on this thread.

People who behave without consideration for others are pretty vile, like those described in the OP. Swearing loudly, being raucous and offensive is anti social. I would feel the same whatever 'class' but in the main it is the more rough people that display this behaviour...one of the local parks also has this type of parent smoking weed too..

OP, of course you can't ban these people but the only solution would be rangers in our parks(not the little ones....that would be very stupid) but who on earth would want to pay for this or do the job?

Belle without wanting to be offensive, if you really, really think that LOs picking up potty language from adults is no different from picking it up from school mates then you're really, really thick.

Do you use bad language in front of your LO because what's the bother? They'll pick it up in school anyway? Do you not mind them watching reservoir Dogs before bed because what the hell? Little Mickey at school will teach it him if he don't learn it from home anyway? FGS...

I take offence to the term LO.

Does that make me a chav?

Oh OP did you forget that you are not allowed to talk about the rough people with being accused of being 'judgy'. It's that weird MN thing whereby most of those accusing you of being unreasonable would rather eat their own hat than one of their children becoming a rough, child piercing, tattoo clad, juicy tracksuit wearing, smoker who drinks cans of lager and leaves litter whilst effing at 'the little shits'.

Children hearing adults swearing is much much worse that hearing a child swear in the playground. It rather blurs the lines of acceptability.

How I raise my child is different to how alot of other people raise their children, we don't swear, he is very well mannered. I have raised him never to repeat swear words, he will come home and ask what they mean so he knows not to say them. He's no longer at the nice school down the road with the 'children from good families' who swore black and blue. These children must have been exposed to all sorts, I don't consider a game selling fake drugs as an appropriate game for school children of any age to be playing, children pick up words/ideas from home and pass them round the class/friends. Some of them are disciplined, some get away with it so go to school and repeat them because there's no come back. If you think that you as a parent are able to do anything about this then it is you who are 'thick'.

posie what I did say to my DH is that it would be nice to see some PCSOs patrolling the parks as a deterrent for this kind of behaviour. Could PCSOs not issue the anti-socials with a warning that if they do not stop with the anti-socialness, they'll be banned from the park? People get barred from shopping centres/pubs etc for anti-social behaviour so why not parks?

I have to admit that the pious "turn the other cheek" bollocks is very grating, particularly as the posters crying "judgey" are amongst some of the most judgemental people I have crossed on the internet.

Ellebing, hats off to you, you've been at this for 10 hours now!!

I'm just wondering how on earth any of the family in question had room for even more chips on the way home!

Swearing isn't acceptable, it's all around us though so it's impossible to stamp out. In the years to come probably all of our children will go to school and join in with all the rest of their friends because they want to feel accepted.

It's not different to raise your child without swearing, that is normal and what most people in a polite society should do. Swearing at or in front of children is pretty hideous.

Belle I know i cannot do anything to prevent my child hearing bad language at school. But I do think I should be able to protect him from it in social situations.

I really don't believe for a second that if you had been in my shoes yesterday that you would have simply shrugged and said "oh well. They'll hear worse at school." I think you're being contrary for the hell of it. I don't think that there are many of us here who would be happy with a group of adults swearing excessively in front of our children, are there? Do you swear in front of your LOs? If not, why not? They'll only pick it up in school anyway!

They would have had a burger FlyingFig

Y'know, what has got me going about this thread is that OP and her supporters seem to equate not agreeing with her to thinking that the behaviour described is acceptable.

I don't think it is, I just don't think you can go around forcing everyone to conform to your own standards of behaviour. And frankly, anyone who uses the term 'chav' just goes on my radar as being lazy and simplistic about their analysis of people.

So PCSO's should patrol parks preventing people from engaging in totally legal activities because it might cause some precious MNetters a fit of the vapours.

Sod violent crime and burglary - let's bang up people who say 'poohead' and drink cider in public.

Should PCSO's bang up people who say pacific instead of specific (that really grates on me)... or people who wear leisurewear on a day to day basis.

I'm wondering what the 'crime' committed by the park-people (who I am starting to think are a separate species who lurk in parks to piss mumsnetters off) should be classified as.

Being a bit common whilst middle class children are about? What should the tariff be - 10 years, life?!

No, I wouldn't have said oh well, I would have told my son that we don't say words like that, I would have had a cat mouth!! It goes on everywhere though, we walk down the road and hear people swearing, it's common here. It shouldn't be but it is, all I can do is teach my son not to repeat them.