To think that certain people should be banned from public parks

[ElleBing]

We have a really lovely park near where we live. It's really big, with lots of grassed areas for picnics etc then an enclosed play area.

DH and I took DS there yesterday for a quick run around before dinner time. I noticed that a group of chavs had set up camp next to the enclosed park whilst their kids ran amok inside. The chav parents were sitting on the grassy bit drinking cider, eating junk food and swearing. Two of their kids started fighting one another and rather than try and intervene, the person who I assume was the father sat in the kids' pushchair screeching at the LOs to stop fighting. They carried on drinking their cider before deciding they were going home to "watch Nanny McPhee on pirate wiv a bag ov chipz" then when the motehr of one of the LOs wanted the child to leave the play area she started shouting "come on will ya pooface" Eugh?

All of the other parents were doing cats bum mouth, not just me. I wanted to tell them to shut up with their common mouths and bad language but too middle class, you see? I'dlove to be able to stand up to these people who make life unpleasant for everyone else...

Anyway, DH were talking about them and I said that people like them shouldn't be allowed in parks. They should have an admissions policy. AIBU?

text speak and Jeremy kyle.you are some classy lassie

i await your next wounding letter,making a searing incisive point

Dear scottishmummy

Y r u so obsessed with class? I am who I am. Class is not important. Am I really so inferior because I use text speak? Oh how I aspire to be like you.

Regards

baluchi. ps. double lol.

Posie I am drinking during the afternoon with my child as I am a feckless member of the working classes.

Also my dd and I have spent the afternoon walking around our local countryside with a packed lunch, a compass and map. I had my bottle of cider ( which I won at a tombola at church) on top of Hodd Hill with my picnic while we planned our route.

We found a playground on our route and dd managed to convince me that it would be a good idea to take part in some hardcore circuit training which involved a zip wire and balancing beams. You could say that if I had not drunk a bottle of cider in front of my child I would not have agreed. However I managed to repeatedly run across said beams so I was clearly sober.

Seriously posie I think you need to chill. That is the problem with being middle class you are all so bothered with what everyone thinks. Us plebs know that you all disaprove so we just get on with life.

Yes the swearing is not on in a public park, but unfortunately some people are just like that and the rest of us just have to ignore them! I am very much working class and don't see how these people could have been refused entry into the park if it had an admissions policy. Because they had a regional accent or did they look cheap? Maybe all working class people should stay in and not ruin the parks and public spaces for the gentry of the land!! I wouldn't take cans of cider into a park anyway but would a picnic of du pain, du vin, du boursin of been more acceptable upon thine eyes? I call my DD stinky and poo head and such like so I guess I won't be venturing out much this summer if parks will be closed to me and my common mouth. Oh well, there's always the xbox . I'll also be avoiding all those middle class cats bum mouths you speak of, IMHO cat shit really stinks!

Dear brightyoungthing

I agree with everything you say. Btw, do u use text speak?

Regards

baluchi

Class is nothing to do with it.

I was in the park this afternoon with dd when a little girl, she was 3 it turned out, wandered up to us and wanted to go on the see saw with dd.

After playing with her for about 20 minutes I said 'Where is your mummy?' - she pointed yonder.

There was her mummy, all seven for mankind jeans, perfectly highlighted hair, designer sunglasses, Bugaboo et al just gossiping away to her friends in identikit outfits. I swear it would have been difficult to tell these 5 women apart in an ID parade.

Why the heck should I be an unpaid supervisor of her daughter? The cheek of it.

Dear baluchi

It's bin known!

I'm getting so cross about all this I'm in danger of cracking open the vodka! Redbull anyone?

Regards to You too

BYT xx

i have completely warmed to op.especially since all the judge ye not crew have rocked up.espousing ones human right to cuss,fight in the playpark and heavens above if anyone comments

Dear scottishmummy

Pardon?

regards

baluchi

obviosuly discussing the OP and points raised is less fun than a slanging match to some...

I am amused by Baluchis view of SM, to say the least.

but seriously, you think its fine to swear loudly near other peoples littlies and call your own kids names?

Well scottishmummy - we all judge but usually in our heads and not ASSUME that everyone around you agrees with you.

only yesterday I was in a very posh park full of very posh people and my friend's son was a tiny bit out of line - he touched the leg of this toddler to push her out of the way - not great but but toddler unhurt. Note that the lovely fragrant 'posh' mummy had been hogging the equipment for some time. Boy's daddy came over to take him away but not before lovely posh mummy grabbed my friend's son and had her face and and her finger in this little boy's face screaming at him.

So who deserves the ABSO - I was horrified - little 3 year old hyperventilating in fear.

Oh and elle - with your travels and Italy as your example - I go to Italy loads and speak the lingo - every time I've been (we're talking months of the year every year) I've been verbally abused. My ds has also been told to 'f-off stupid foreigner' - not just by kids but by rather nasty parents - not nice - but I'm still alive - antisocial shite is everywhere - it's part of life unfortunately. I've seen parents who constantly hit their children in public (as it's not illegal there) - you want to see bad behaviour to kids? Go to my dh's village - it's more common to see kids pushed and shoved and lots of hair pulling. I don't like it but the kids grow up to go on to uni etc. like everywhere else. I don't like it but it's their culture - I don't have to copy it. And that's it - or basta.

But what you saw in the park with these so called common people was nothing to the trauma faced by my friend's son by the so called upper middle class lady yesterday in our upper middle class park. It's everywhere - up to you if you dare tackle it - and what I find about the more 'classy' yobbo mummy is that their sense of entitlement is far higher - which makes them very unpleasant.

I'm not in the judge ye not crew! I come down hard on foul language used in front of DD and antisocial behaviour too but the OP seems to have confused her anger at public swearing with her own prejudices and beliefs of how others should live and bring up their kids. Why is it so offensive to her if they were eating junk food? Why mention the children fighting in that tone? Why should she be bothered if a woman called out pooface? Her post reveals more about her than it does anyone else I'm afraid.

yes some people are gits but this supposed one-upmanship of posh people are definitely worse is a digression

bad behaviour is unsavoury and it can be meted out by anyone.i dont think the socio-economic demographics of the perpetrators are wholly relevant

Yep scottishmummy - I agree - but it's the op who's mentioning chavs - and others who are mentioning clothing etc.

I promise you bad behaviour is everywhere - every class, every place. As is tempered behaviour.

It's the OP who has mentioned in response to someone that she's multicultural and well travelled - oh good - so she should know it's in every country and in every community in the world - just dressed up differently.

I'd have been less concerned with her 'yobbos' in the park than with what I saw yesterday as our experience ended up with a very distressed kid. Op's didn't - it was just that she saw things that her kids probably didn't even pick up on.

My ds has come out with some class words - all picked up at his very 'nice' nursery.

I don't think that socio-economic demographics are relevant to bad behaviour -unlike the op who slyly suggests they go hand in hand.

judge ye not crew ?

I dont like people that blithely and snidely post about chavs, and then boast about their middle class niceness and how well fucking travelled they are

Thats far more offensive to me than some people drinking and swearing in a park TBH

makes me ashamed to be middle class!!!!

"bad behaviour is unsavoury and it can be meted out by anyone.i dont think the socio-economic demographics of the perpetrators are wholly relevant"

That's exactly why she's been flamed, for bringing socio economic demographics into it!

but chavs are generally much more offensive than other groups.

OK so OP may have been a little hoity-toity BUT;

1. Chav isn't a socio-demographic category.

1. Liking all the the MNers saying "she's being rude about chavs" Errrr, yeah? Chav isn't a term used to describe nice people, much like hooligans/vandals. You wouldn't say "ooh but she's been rude about some vandals" Chavs are defined by their bad behaviour. Sorry ladies, but 's'true.

1. Why is OP getting so much stick for being middle class? if she'd been talking about how working class she was, she'd have been applauded. Bit of inverse snobbery, perhaps? And last time I looked,there was nothing wrong with being middle class anyway.

1. Also enjoying the posters trying to draw parallels between having a civilised glass of vin in their own back garden with drinking in a park. Also the people saying they smoke drawing parallels with people smoking near a group of playing children. Though I do think these posters were being deliberately testy...

1. Most of the posters that attacked the OP have been way more vicious than she ever was.

1. I don't like chavs either, so shoot me. They're frightening, pack-mentality-minded, aggressive and pigheaded. Much like most of the posters in this thread.