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to be bemused by people who blame their appalling behaviour on a medical condition that sounds remarkably convenient

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Desdamona · 08/03/2010 10:30

I wanted to post on a thread that someone else started a few weeks ago, but I can't find it. I have just been listening to Women's Hour. A woman in her twenties appears to have made a good living out of fleecing fiances and wants her personality disorder to be taken into account. What is the difference between having a personality disorder and being a bit of a shit who happened to get caught? How long have these convenient personality disorders been around as a defence for, er, crime?

And what is the difference between an alcoholic and someone who refused to exercise any self-control? If someone is overweight, they are judged to be unable or reluctant to deny themselves pleasure. Why do we get all understanding as soon as the (twit) claims they have a (made up) medical handle. It's not a disease. There is no proof it is a disease. There may be a genetic tendency but don't turn it into a disease. The disease theory is based on the replies to under 100 questionnaires.

I had a bf who claimed to be alcoholic. Just got drunk when he liked and, ooh, aren't you brave, telling all your drunk mates about it?

Personality disorder: Don't get me started.

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Philadelphia · 09/03/2010 13:35

It isn't credible to me that 60% of us humans suffer from a mental illness. How on earth have we coped for the last xthousand years? Would you be looking to make a retrospective diagnosis of Florisman? Anyone who makes their living from this obviously has their own agenda.

It probably has a lot to do with the decline of religion. Win some, lose some.

Kaloki · 09/03/2010 13:39

Why isn't it credible? At some point in history people have suffered from all kinds of illnesses before they've been diagnosed. For example, my dad suffers Coeliacs (a very real physical problem) which is a fairly recent discovery - was it not an illness before they labelled it?

Actually in the past most people would not have got help for mental illness, due to the stigma attached, yes they may have coped with it, but I woudn't imagine their quality of life is particularly wonderful. Especially as instead of getting help they'd have had to hide it.

scottishmummy · 09/03/2010 13:57

as i said it isnt 60% adults experience mental illness is @40%.#

1 in 4 people will experience some kind of mental health problem in the course of a year
Mixed anxiety & depression is the most common mental disorder in Britain
Women are more likely to have been treated for a mental health problem than men

borderliner · 09/03/2010 14:22

"I want to hear more from Borderliner now. I'd love to know:
How you were diagnosed
If the diagnosis came as a relief
What difference it has made.

IMO We need to hear more about people who manage to function perfectly well with conditions that are stigmatised in society, such as BPD."

OOhhh someone wants to hear more from me. Thanks for asking.

Firstly can I recommend almost everything skihorse has written on here about BPD. I wish I was able to be as open as her, but there have been some appalling comments about people with PDs being "scum" and "low-lives" and "sub-human" on here, so I'm still not really ready to out myself - if you recognise me (I'm a very regular long term mnetter, though not very well known) please don't out me!

I was diagnosed after slipping into very deep depression for yet another time. I was very depressed, drinking too much and hiding it, lying to my dh about where I was going (said I was meeting people/going out places etc) when I wasn't going anywhere, just lying in bed. He works away a couple of days a week so it was quite easy once I got the kids out to school.

One night for some reason I was on the computer and I came across a reference to BPD and checked the criteria (no idea why I did this) and it was like reading a description of myself. I have/had every symptom there. This brought me to tears and I called dh and he had a look too - I confessed what had really been going on for the last few months and we decided to seek help. The psychiatrist was dismissive but agreed to refer me to clinical psychology, who put me through some diagnostic procedures but were sure pretty much from the start that I had self-diagnosed correctly.

The diagnosis was an immense releif - finally there was a reason for everything!! It was no excuse and I totally accept responsibility for my behaviour, but it was a releif to knwo why I "acted out" so badly (in the past this had involved barricading the doors so dh couldn't leave the house, for example, and self-harm, overeating, drinking etc). It also explained why stressful situations give me a virtual "out of body" experience - I don't seem to be safely located inside my own head - I've sat several exams for example while feeling like I was on the ceiling. I have terrible trouble accepting that I am loved by my family, dh, children etc.

In my case, it is likely that the "cause" - if there is one - was my mother, who I am sure suffered from some kind of mental illness. She certainly has a form of OCD and she is now married to the most narcissistic man I have ever encountered (not diagnosed- just my opinion) - she is his enabler. She left before I was a teenager and we are now estranged.

The difference it has made: now I know what is wrong with me. So I know how to go about putting it right. I need to learn to love myself and to take responsibility for my own actions and to change the way I deal with the world. I am in some fairly hefty psychotherapy for it now - there are several treatments out there, I was not suitable for group therapy, I'm too independent minded and there wasn't a group available that I could join.

Being borderline is no excuse. I'm a mum to some wonderful dcs, who are mentally healthy and growing up into fabulous kids. I work part time as a teacher and I'm damn good at my job! I am in a loving marriage with a fabulous man who adores me and just wants to see me fulfil my potential as a person.

I do accept that with other PDs, especially NPD, the outlook is much more grim. BPD tends to affect more women than men and tends to improve with age - not so some of the other ones.

I was willing and able to look into myself and decide enough was enough. I'm lucky in that I suppose. People with PDs can live as fabulous members of society, if they are prepared to put the effort in and then, if society is able to listen.

Mumsnet is a real support to me and has been for almost all of its 10 years. But I'm still afraid to say who I am on here, in case it will cause people to dislike or dismiss me. I realise thats not doing much for the cause of personality disorders, but I need to protect myself.

Ask any more questions you want to.

Clarissimo · 09/03/2010 14:34

Deservi9ng sane? FFS

DH ahd a very severe case of depression, worked right through it (two jobs in fact) with only time off when GP threatened him with sectioning otherwise; in what is that less than deserving?

His is clinical that was triggered by reactive and IMO a very cruel cold mother, it changes him markedly but has been under control for yrars with meds / awareness etc and there is nothing undeserving about the way he has fought to keep on track

so

MadameOvary · 09/03/2010 14:35

Thank you Borderliner.

I can only speak for myself but I cant see why anyone would have a problem with you when you are so articulate, courageous, self-aware, focussed and very clearly A Good Person who is trying to deal with a difficult set of circumstances the very best way they can.

skihorse · 09/03/2010 14:45

borderliner Christ - having seen the way people go at teachers like rabid dogs I'd keep myself anonymous too!

skihorse · 09/03/2010 14:47

Can anyone tell me what I did to "deserve" to go mad? I'd have been a toddler/baby I suppose when my mistreatment started. Anyone got any ideas?

Clarissimo · 09/03/2010 14:48

Oh and wrt to credible

I studied nursing in one of those nasty old MH hospitals just as they were closing down. Not MH but being absed there meant we shared facilltiies, met a lot of the inmates etc.

people weren't really being diagnosed as X or Y, they were mad - then- locked - up.

For many it was the toss of a coin whetehr you got ther psych hospital or the 'mentally handicapped' one; there wasn't much to choose tbh anyway.

So lots of subtle differences sat undiscovered in a routine of survival and being hidden from the world; autism is a post war discovery, think how recently we got to know about PND.....

These days we know that by identifying the right disease we can follow either a treatment or management protocol that offers many people a good cahcne of a fulfilling life. And with that seems to come a lot of 'new' disorders, but tehy're not new, any more than a species discovered in a rainforest is new. Just newly described. But as with the LD's that people are discovering (ADHD< AS< ODD etc) some people seem to feel the need to doubt the existence, not sure why tbh, unless its a feeling that otehr people are getting away with something we're not.

These desriptions won't be static; they will be broken down as we learn more- ASD (might seem different but much ASD was trated in psych, stil is in fact) for example is being broken into mitochondrial, genetic, etc.... so all disease aetiology will go.

Borderliner- your posts are inspiring, I hope society reachesa point where hiding stops being advisable.

the comment about sewage etc.... there are theories about depression being an evolutionary hangover to the lack of use of our survival capabilities; man after all is evolved to survive on adrenaline, not pizza! Clearly thats not true for all but there may be soemthing in it, and would explain why exercise helps depression. OTOH I had a Psych lecturer used to tell everyone that depression was natures way of dealing with people not worth living (suicide)- fuckwit.
Still too many people about who just Don't Get It.

(And before I mislead anyone I never completed nurse training, was too young and too shy, though have landed full back in ther health research field after a few decades)

maryz · 09/03/2010 16:06

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SirBoobAlot · 09/03/2010 16:18

OP, for example, is a twat.

I have BPD and ME. two conditions I guess would fall under your excuses category.

SirBoobAlot · 09/03/2010 16:20

That's not a very productive post is it? But am sick to death of all this bollocks of "people are just using X, Y and Z as excuses". Try living a day in my shoes (or in those of any other sufferer) and then we'll have this conversation.

Kaloki · 09/03/2010 18:12

SirBoobALot Exactly. It's easy to sit in judgement when you know nothing about it.

Goblinchild · 09/03/2010 18:16

Where's Othello when you need him?

ASDs the invisible disability. Spend too much time fighting fools in the real world to waste time on this thread.

Clarissimo · 09/03/2010 18:43

Oh GC there's loads of invidible disabilities, ASD is 'just' (as in 'just' the one that affects our children I know) one of many

Same old same old, except I always feel I ahve to fight for the boy's sakes

scottishmummy · 09/03/2010 19:28

really annoys me off this jeering at soft targets as if mental illness is fair game

Philadelphia · 09/03/2010 20:14

Does anyone know how many people are employed in mental health? It strikes me as something of something of a growth industry.

It is in the interests of 'mental health professionals' that as many people clock in as possible.

turkeys? Christmas?

weegiemum · 09/03/2010 20:24

Mental Health has always been sorely neglected in the NHS. If there is a current increase in staffing, I applaud it! (had a recent 3 month wait for an "urgent" psychiatrist referral and a 9 month wait for psychological services).

To be seen within a fortnight here you need to be sectioned or attempt suicide, I think.

I have no confidence in the idea that there is too much attention paid to MH. It is also still a huge stigma for work/friends/family etc. You have no idea how many people think I just need to get my act together, go for a brisk walk in the sunshine and clean out the kitchen cupboards to feel better!

maryz · 09/03/2010 20:32

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Philadelphia · 09/03/2010 20:35

I have had the honour of being sectioned.

Next expert please?

disparatehousemice · 09/03/2010 20:37

i'd say that mental health problems are sometimes the REASON people behave "strangely" but should never the "excuse"

cory · 09/03/2010 20:38

Deserving sane- so it's as well that my friend is dead then? Not being deserving.

scottishmummy · 09/03/2010 20:43

Philadelphia,why dont you participate expert patient schemes, join in service user forums,agitate for change from within.if you wish try address the grievances etc you saw.

all trusts actively seek and encourage user participation

Dogandbone · 09/03/2010 21:44

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scottishmummy · 09/03/2010 22:13

what a dreadful abuse.when you should have been safe.awful.

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