Porn

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Am I being unreasonable for getting upset that my husband keeps looking at porn?

How do you know how old an 'actress' in an average porn movie is? How old were the Chinese gymnasts in the last summer Olympics? (not implying any link between gymnastics and porn or saying the gymnasts had any link to porn, btw) Is there any way to really know how old anyone is in anything you watch?

I see all porn as straightforward abuse, Absinthe. There are no subtle shades of abuse.

It so isn't about performance. That is a very sad and impoverished view of sex, and the idea that it's all very modern and cool and somehow evolved ('what isn't nowadays?') is belied by the existence of pornography itself, which is imo a glimpse back into the Neanderthal past rather than a part of an enlightened present. Certainly not a beacon for the future either.

Of course there's a market out there for sex. There's a market out there for heroin and crack cocaine and cheap liquor too, and there always has been. The fact that there have always been people with appetites for all of the above doesn't make any of them suitable for consumption.

Yes but we've come round full circle (yet again) re whether you can trace back the origin of every item of clothing in your wardrobe and confidently say that no child abuse occurred. And what about Jaffa oranges and the abuse of the Palestinians (I have seen that with my own eyes). I could go on...

Before you say 'Oh Porn is a different kettle of fish' I can tell you that when I was doing voluntary work in the Third World, I was in a sweat shop and witnessed an exchange between the gangmaster and a young girl of about ten. My translator told me that she had asked for more money and he effectively came over and said he would give her a pay increase if she would start sleeping with him regularly just like the others working there. However, nobody's about to object to a Primark opening in their town, are they because it is oh so difficult to prove

Routinely shaved before childbirth until fairly recently? Well my daughter is 20 soon and no, I wasn't shaved, my niece is 28 and no, my sister wasn't shaved either.

I routinely parade around with hairy legs and armpits, my DH still manages to find me sexually attractive, ah, but then that's because he's not a real red-blooded man ( 'cos he doesn't enjoy porn ) , how silly of me to forget.
Absinthe, you sound more and more like a creepy, woman hating bloke, the more you post.

"I don't think you realise just quite how far off track you actually are" I am very twinset and pearls, thank you - you are more than exagerrating if you think otherwise

not sure how shaving your flangey bits makes it a paedos wet dream.

talk about over critique

are you saying that there isn't any porn where participants are willing and do not consider it degrading?

Generally people who are involved with campaigns against consumerism and exploitation of workers in the fashion industry are drawn from the same group of left wing activists who speak out against pornography. I don't know why the two issues are being pitted against each other.

The obvious difference between other industries that exploit their workers and pornography is that we see the cruelty in pornography for ourselves, which encourages people to become desensitised to the pain and suffering and humiliation of others, and encourages a society in which we more readily accept or turn a blind eye to suffering in other areas of our lives.

i don't shave becuase it makes me look like a little girl - that is quite frankly bizzare in the extreme.

I really do hate this thread

I always thought shaving before childbirth was a rather medieval practice, and what is exactly so disgusting about body hair on Women? I think it is a reletively recent phenomenon for it to be perceived as so foul.

Dittany - i'm sorry, I never realised that you were a victim of rape - that obviously makes a huge difference to how you would handle porn. I reiterate that my dh is too gentle, if anything - I am the rough one.

Sade was a standard gift to give to friends for birthdays/Christmas when I was fifteen (I had a bohemian upbringing) ; I can appreciate why you would find it a lot more menacing than me. Why did you accept/not return it immediately if you were so opposed to the ideas explored?

Have you ever seen a sexual therapist?

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How can anyone not find de Sade menacing. How is the bit when a man makes a young girl cut her finger off to stop him killing her mother, and then he kills the mother anyway, not menacing? And that is quite a mild example of his writing.

I really don't think Dittany is the one who needs therapy.

"Sade was a standard gift to give to friends for birthdays/Christmas when I was fifteen (I had a bohemian upbringing)"

That's not a bohemian upbringing; that's grooming.

Methinks 'Extended' is back . . .

Obviously not one for a literalist

Georgimama - I did not think fifteen year old girls were capable of grooming each other.

Yes, a man who was in and out of prisons most of his life, for very good reason as the model of a healthy, however 'bohemian' sex life.

Why would being a rape victim alter one's perception of pornography?

That is the most patronising and even sly dig I have ever come across.

'Have you eve seen a sexual therapist?' ??????
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absinthe are you involved in the porn industry?