Porn

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Am I being unreasonable for getting upset that my husband keeps looking at porn?

Bloody hell! You've seen acting??

sort of LADYEROS yes..damn those belgian plumbers.......

That's funny AnyFucker because I think the same of Dittany's posts, and those are which I am responding to. It is not abuse. That's my point, and she is beiong ridiculous to say that men who watch porn are enjoying abuse!

It is very patronising that you would say I'm out of my depth. But there is no arguing with you, as I have seen on many other threads, you believe your word to be gospel.

What about if it is just pictures of naked women (or men)? Is that degrading?

MrsM, bad form to bring other threads into this one

is that the best you can do ? < tut tut >

MrsM, bad form to bring other threads into this one

is that the best you can do ? < tut tut >

must try harder...

oops lol

'I'm not being ridiculous in the slightest. Pornography is abusive to the women in it and abusive to women in general. It degrades our sex and portrays us as nothing more than fuck objects for men.'

I saw a programme about Lesbians who were sourcing porn for their sex shop. So this was women enjoying porn with just women in it. Isn't that still porn though with no man as any part of the equation?

I think everyone agrees the way some porn is made is abusive. Girls have come out and said 'I was forced to do that - I had literally no choice'. You cannot tell which films are and which aren't. Ergo, if you watch porn you take the risk that you are watching abuse, but choose to ignore that. I guess that is pretty much most human behaviour - forget the unsavoury details about the origins of the things that make our lives easy/give us a kick - but it's pretty unpleasant. At least face up to that.

I don't get this 'all men watch porn' thing, I really don't. My DP - I have no idea. Maybe, probably? I really don't know. But men are individuals, so they aren't all going to like the same thing.

Here is a list of things I am supposed to love as a woman:

• Shopping (tedious)
• Brad Pitt/Johnny Depp/that child from the vampire film (I genuinely am not attracted to any of them)
• buff male torsos (I find them a bit creepy tbh)
• watching TV soaps/Wife Swap/Supernanny (mental death)

This debate just goes to show - if you are a qoman and you cross the line of what is deemed socially acceptable, no one gives a fuck what happens to you. Men either don't want to think about it or don't care, and women protect themselves with the knowledge that nothing like that will ever happen to them or any woman they care about, because they would never behave like that.

Keep your eyes shut.

"A clothing wearer isn't getting off on the thought of a garment worker being paid a dollar for a twelve hour day."

Yeah, but everyone with a brain knows that you don't get a coat for £20 without someone being seriously screwed over on the way. People just don't give a shit, and it's the same with porn. Just put your fingers in your ears and go 'la la la'.

"You''ll seriously struggle to find one solitary profession where "exploitation" (for want of a better word) has never existed."

Yeah, but there's your boss taking credit for your clever marketing idea and then there's this. No comparison, really. Crap argument.

You said "You''ll seriously struggle to find one solitary profession where "exploitation" (for want of a better word) has never existed."

I assume by this you mean that people are 'exploited' in all jobs, hence my comparison with what people would flippantly label 'exploitation' in an average British workplace. It's not really the same as being threatened and physically damaged, is it?

Just by the nature of prostitution (unregulated, money to be made out of people's bodies) exploitation is going to be a lot easier to get away with and more severe than in normal jobs.

I think if you raped someone in the office, HR would have something to say about it, TSH

I think the best point made so far is that 21c. porn is mainly all about amateurs with webcams having their 15 mins - this has nothing in common with Dittany's disturbing quotes. Printed, inanimate porn pretty much falls within the same category IMO.

I really think we should move away from 20c porn (brutal, over ambitious in its experimentation) and from the idea that women are the only victims. I was once pursued by a bloke who (reading between the lines) i'm sure worked in the sex industry. He was sometimes covered in blood & he had old gunshot wounds on his legs and he was pumped up with steroids to the point of bursting. His chipped, half-painted nails appeared to have been twisted and broken off. He used to produce wads of cash out of his pockets - thousands of pounds at a time. Dirty cash really is dirty - it was smeared in all sorts of vile bodily fluids. He would never tell me his real name and all I gathered re his address was that he was shacked up with a rich, old lady - a bit like a gigolo, i suppose. I never mentioned him to my folks and I most certainly rejected his advances - he is pretty much the reason why dh has been my only partner!

However, I am sure that he is NOT the face of porn; just one of a tiny minority of it's victims who was damaged by life long before he ever joined the industry.

It is also important to point out that even though there are many junkies in the porn industry, their dependencies do strange things to their libidos and they have a greater appetite for sex than Josephine Average (I have heard it from the hors'e mouth even if it does sound a bit contraversial). Just like long distrance runners, they can use PMA to transport them from their job towards their next fix. Of course some of them may be damaged by the industry; but it would rarely have put the first nail in the coffin

contrOversial - sorry!!