To lie about DD2s age

[princessparty]

Went to a big climbing wall today.You have to be 6 to climb and DD2 is nearly 5 but would have been really bored watching the other DC.
She is a tiny little thing who actually looks younger than her age anyway but they didn't question it.Was glad I did lie as she climbed all the beginner walls very quickly ( although she didn't bother with sticking to just one colour holds as she just wasn't physically large enough) She then moved on to bigger walls which are about 4-storeys high and she even had a good go at overhangs in the bouldering section.There is no danger really as DH was supervising and belaying for her.
So is it unreasonable to ignore age restrictions ?

Eh? But if she is small for her age surely she would be excluded on height restrictions?

I would love to take my boys to a climbing centre regularly, sadly our local one is booked up months in advance by pushy parents who block book every session ensuring there are no free spaces for anyone elses kids.

Princessparty - you still haven't answered my question either.

I will repeat it for you:

"And please explain to us how it is good parenting to raise children who think that the rules don't apply to them. They don't have to wait politely to be dismissed by the teacher, but can just leave when their mum wants. They don't have to obey the rules that are there to keep them safe, and can lie to get what they want."

I am not holding my breath for a reasonable answer.

I wouldn't tell a friend that she looked fat in something she'd already bought because it would be pointless and hurt her feelings. Does that mean that it is also ok to ruin someone elses business for the amusement of a 4 year old? I don't think it does but perhaps I am odd .

'Would you tell your DC that their picture was shit , or a friend that she looked fat in something she'd already bought '

This is hardly the same!

A climbing wall management is entitled to set the rules that they want and it isn't up to the customer to know better.You accept the rules or take your custom elsewhere.

I set the rules in my house. If I tell your DD they must take their shoes off before they come in they can either comply or they don't come in-it isn't an option for you to tell me that your DDs shoes are clean and you are not sticking to my rule! You may harbour unpleasant thought about me, but you like it or lump it! The age thing is similar-you quite obviously don't agree with it, but you don't simply flout it by not mentioning she is under age and then expect everyone to agree. They can be as unreasonable as they like-they own the wall and they set the rules.
I don't think that it is anything to do with height. A 4 yr old isn't mature enough to have the least understanding-it is merely a playground to them. 6 years is about the right age to start because they have the maturity to know that it isn't an alternative to an adventure playground.

Davidtennant-I don't actually think it is a good idea to follow rules slavishly.Judgment should always override rules.
Piscesmoon - she is actually 5 in a few days and really, I would have to say that many of the 5 YO reception girls are way more mature than many of the boys a year or 2 older.My judgment and DH's (who knows DD and her capability and also knows the demands of each climb ) judgment was that she could cope with it safely.I can't really believe that their is much of an issue.For one thing realistically the chance of an accident is remote.Secondly I would only be able to make a claim against them IF THEY HAD BEEN NEGLIGENT.

I'd also like princessparty to tell us if she is happy for us all to use our own judgement about which rules our dc should follow or flout.

Shall I decide that ds1 is tall enough and mature enough to start driving, even though he is underage?

I wonder if her current parenting style will come back to bite her when one of her children is in trouble for buying alchohol underage - having lied (either blatantly or by omission) about their age. How will she feel when their argument for doing something like this is that that's what she taught them to do? That she taught them that what they want supercedes society's petty rules - and it doesn't matter that the licensee could lose their licence for having served the mini-princess?

pp - why did you bother posting?

You've answered your own question - you clearly believe it's fine to lie about things when it suits you, so why waste a thread by asking a rhetorical question?

Yeah the problem with judgement always over-riding rules is when your judgement is crap. Like yours is - arising one assumes from the fact that you are completely self centred and suffering from a frankly scary lack of empathy and imagination. At least that's what your posts suggest.

How about the teenager who decides not to slavishly follow the rule that tells him not to break into princessparty's house and steal her valuables? Will she be accepting his judgmrnt?

Northernlurker-but my judgment clearly wasn't crap was it ? DD coped easily ,didn't fall, didn't have an accident and had a great time.All's well with the world !
Seriously , you do sometimes have to bend rules to get anywhere in life.
Obviously I don't advocate breaking the law , bullying etc

You obviously posted because we are all supposed to agree.
OK then, you are a brilliant mother. It is perfectly OK to have the world according to princessparty. Rules are there to be overruled, if you don't agree with them. Lying in front of your DC doesn't matter because you didn't actually utter the words 'she is 6 yrs'. Getting your DC into something underage is exactly the same as telling your friend that she doesn't look fat in her new dress when she does.
It doesn't matter that at least one climbing wall is now going to demand proof of age, as a direct result of this thread-after all it is unlikely to be the one that you visit-I for one applaud your stance!
Are you happy now?

I wish there was a debating forum , some things don't really fit either into AIBU or into chat.
Anyway bedtime , night,night Ladies

I can see that in 10 yrs time it will have 'my 14 yr old daughter looks 18 and gets into to see 18 rated films. My 14 yr old daughter is able to buy alcohol-isn't she wonderful-she does it all without lying she just lets them assume she is adult. What a shame that she has to show proof of age to get a provisional driving licence-she would be a much safer driver than a 17 yr old boy'.

Can I ask something please?

This is hypothetical but - IF your child had fallen and she is wearing her own harness and being supervised by your husband would the centers insurance have covered her?