to think WHAT ist he point of the Sunday Times and where is the relevance with my life?

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I am probably never going to go on holiay to Papua New Guinea.

Rod Liddle is an arsewipe.

Do not need to look at adverts for 2.4 million ound gaffs in Putney. Likewise am not in the market for a second home in Zermatt.

I can't afford the shoes and think that Natalie Hartley looks like a lazy-eyed scrubber whatever she happens to be wearing that week.

Am not in the market for 6 figure sum job running a council somewhere.

Am not going to watch sadie Frost in her new theatrical appearance.

Do not frequent the same restayurants as AA Gill.

Sunday Times has absolutely no relation to my life at all. Why do I love it so much and devour it every week?

ah oyu see the style section is in a strange time atm when all they can talk about is decluttering, gloves, facials for winter skin and valentines day until the arrival of spring

then they go wild buying stuff for the 8 weeks of summer we have

Quattrocento's children aren't young either!

Anyway, we have always travelled around with them and it's never been an issue, and before I had my own family I used to go on holiday with a divorced girlfriend and her small children and we always had a great time.

oi missus - move along
we are on st!

Come to think of it, DP and I are the ones who want to lounge by the pool these days. It's the children who are raring to go out and explore the world...

I like the Style section, except for whatever celeb is featured and whatever sex advice there is, because it's usually all about the man's pleasure, when any good lover will know that pleasure is best shared.

The food's gone a bit beyond what i'd ever enjoy eating.

and the homes in the style section are all either new england meets scandawegian
OR clean lines dark wood etc

Uggh, I find looking after small children on holiday even more tedious. Before I had any myself, the thought of a holiday with young children and no one on hand to look after them but oneself would have filled me with dread.

What did you do about dinner? Take them along?

Yes, Gorgeous, in every one of those homes featured, I always wonder where they really stash all their stuff.

Or, it's some place that wouldn't look out of place in Dubai, which IMO takes tacky to a whole new level.

Yes of course we took them along to dinner. What else? As long as they've had a rest after lunch (like the adults) they can stay up late in the evenings.

Oh, see, I find them annoying at a nice meal. Can't enjoy your meal for feeding them when they're young or fielding their whines when they're 4 or so.

Ugggh.

You barely even taste the food.

I think it probably depends on what you and your children are used to. I have always eaten every meal with the children and it really is just fine and a sort of non-event to have them there. It doesn't cross my mind that there might be a problem with it!

Oh, we have them at every meal. When DD1 was born, she was having her dinner separately to me and DH, and Papa was aghast.

It made me feel guilty, so ever since then we've eaten as a family.

But if the opportunity presents itself to swan off and have a leisurely meal with just DH or with Mama or other non-children companions, I'm all over it!

I have only lately bothered taking dd to decent places - before she would be most happy with a hotel with a great big pool next to the beach.

Now she is getting more adventurous hence Morocco. But she is 14. Is easy now. Was not so relaxed re holidays when she was 6.

Giles is a lovely man...

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2460188/Giles-Corens-email-rant-in-full.html

hehas no ishoos at all

Quite right, Smallorange. He has no ishoos whatsoever.

Bonsoir, sorry for returning late to the thread

There's travel, which I do oodles of both with and without the children. And there's real travelling, without a particular timetable, getting to know people who live there if you can find some common language, fossicking around, properly finding the rhythm and vibe of the place. Children are totally inimical to real travel IME. Or perhaps mine are just brats, I dunno.

IME, children just love the kind of holiday where they can hang out in a Greek village playing backgammon under a shady tree, going out on a fishing boat with a toothless old crone, joining in late night village parties etc, hanging out in packs with other children of different nationalities and ages... I think children love that kind of holiday and that it is fantastically relaxing and good for their soul but perhaps parents are frightened of trying and think they need Club Med facilities to keep the children busy?

Some people have different experiences, Bonsoir.

'Or perhaps mine are just brats, I dunno. '

Touche, Quattro, touche!

I do think people are often frightened of travelling with children and think that their family won't be happy without all the mod cons and trappings of urban life.

Or perhaps the people with several young children just want a break.

They can be very wearing, again especially when there are more than one.

We only go on UK holidays unless going to see family abroad because quite honestly, I find travelling with three young children in anything other than a car I'm driving and can stop when and where the need arises a PITA.

I don't see the point until they get a bit older.

I think it's fine to just want a break, expat. Life can be wearing and sometimes you just want to hand your DCs over to someone else and have some time to yourself.

But that's a different argument to thinking that travel with children is particularly difficult or that the children won't have a good time unless they are surrounded by lots of the entertainments and trappings of their normal life.