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MIL - I don't know what to do - LONG

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PoodlesandDoodles · 05/01/2010 11:02

Sorry, name changed for this as I don't really want it to be found.

My MIL and I have an odd relationship - I'm not particularly worldly or glam but she has lived in the same tiny village all her life and has a very narrow world view so she sees me as completely wild and quite scary (I have lived in London, been to universtiy etc). She was also very confined to her own home for years as she was the sole carer for her (very demanding) disabled husband.

Her husband died in February 2009 and she has been a little more outgoing since - however years and years of being worn down by her DH has shattered her confidence, she suffers badly from anxiety and she refuses to drive outwith a few routes from her own house.

We invited her to spend Christmas Day with us, however because of the road conditions (NE Scotland) she ended up arriving on the 24th (when she could get a lift in from someone else) and staying until the 26th (when my DH took her home). TBH I think that would have happened anyway - despite the roads - when we initially invited her for the day her initial reaction was that there would be no buses and she became very anxious about driving. However (I feel) that we really don't have room for her to stay without disrupting our children a lot and tbh I was really upset by the very late change to the Christmas arrangements.

I'm 38 weeks pg and, for Christmas, my DH (who understandably defends his Mum a lot) insisted that she would be a great boon to the family, would help out lots, would mean I was so much more relaxed, she'd be able to tidy all the places in our house that I've not been able to keep on top of etc etc - this actually WASN'T the case - as she has visited our home so very very rarely she wasn't comfortable, she was very anxious and didn't help out at all (didn't offer, I felt I couldn't directly ask her to do things, she didn't even offer to make a cup of tea). In the end I had to joke (to my Mum, not my DH) that her specific brand of helping me seemed to be in her "warming the sofa" abilities.

Now, I'm booked in for a c-section in 8 days time but I obviously could go into labour at any point from now on. My Mum is coming back today from a trip to her sisters (3 hours away) but she is normally only 15 mins down the road. She helps me out a lot with the girls, drops my eldest off at school, is happy on occassions when I need her to help with pick ups etc...

However, my Dh insists that if/when things happen with this baby, his Mum must ALSO be called upon to "help". I absolutely cannot see what help she will be able to provide. She will not drive here, so cannot come in an emergency or during the night - we'd be waiting hours for her to get a bus or find someone to bring her, as oppossed to about 50 mins if she would drive. She cannot take my DDs to school or any of their activities as she won't drive and has no idea where they are (My Mum has taken her around and shown her all these places but it was obvious she was paying no attention at all).

I had 1 contraction the other day and my DH made it obvious that there was no need for my Mum to be called at all, his Mum would be adequete help and childcare etc even if that was it and I/He were out of commission for 5 days while I'm in hospital (he wants to spend as much time in the hospital as he can with myself and the baby)....

But she can't HELP. She only ever sees the girls in HER house for a few hours at the time because she simply isn;t part of their life here. She has no idea of their bedtime routine for example or what we consider acceptable meals or behaviour (one example from Christmas was that she went up to say goodnight to the girls, DD1 wasn't sleeping and my MIL sent her down the stairs to get some toys to take to her room - her new remote control car - it sounds like a really lame thing to be upset about but my Dh and I both instantly told her that was not a bedtime toy, my DD was upset, she wanted back into her own bed and her own room - MIL had been put in her bed in her room - and DD1 cried for a long long time - yes its trivial but it was un-necessary upset for her and more bed swapping) She has no idea what they do (its all written on the calendar so she would know when their activities are) but even if she knows she cannot/will not take them.

Every time she has come through to "help" she has sat on the sofa and not moved. I was admitted to hospital about 6 weeks ago with adbominal pains, she came through that day to help (my Dh had to go to work, my Mum was here looking after the girls) and my Mum says that all she did all that day was sit on the sofa and then go for the bus home.

I can absolutely understand that she wants to be closeby in order to see the baby, but I'm not happy to leave her in charge of the girls for long periods of time, and their lives are going to be disrupted enough without them missing school/playgroup etc....My poor Mum will end up doing all that herself as well as entertaining and chatting to my MIL as she warms the sofa looking anxious as she simply isn't comfortable in our home.

Anyway, most of that is all just background to my main question . I accept that she will be here while I'm in hospital and when I come home. Today I had an idea that I thought might be helpful and I've put little labels on the kitchen cupboards with what is in them, so she'll know where the plates and the tea bags, and the cups the girls use etc are. I've also put up a sheet on the cupboard explaining about DD1's snack and drink that she needs to take to school every day. However now I'm panicking that my Dh will see that as patronising - I know that she could just open all the cupboards and see what is in each of them but I also know in her previous visits she hasn't done this...if my Dh insists she is going to be here to "help" then I want to help her to do that...

But is it really patronising to do this (its NOT a big kitchen - it would take about 15 seconds to open all the cupboard doors and look in them to see what is where...)

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LeQueen · 05/01/2010 22:44

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chickbean · 05/01/2010 23:01

Haven't read all the posts but ...

I had both my mum and my MIL to stay when I had DS1 (we didn't live near either of them) and although they get on really well, there just wasn't enough for them both to do. They were practically fighting over who would make the next cup of tea - my mum usually won because my MIL isn't very confident (though not as bad as the OP's by the sound of it) - it wasn't intentional, but I got a bit embarrassed about that.

With DS2 we lived nearer to my mum, so she looked after DS1 while I had DS2. MIL came to stay when I got home and, as she was staying with us, it was easier for her to help out, as my mum wasn't there all the time.

Don't know if this helps, but I would definitely recommend having her here once the new baby is born, rather than being at your house on her own with the children and/or with your mum, if your mum is happy to look after the other children by herself.

alicet · 05/01/2010 23:37

I think the OP is getting a hard time too - she doesn't sound like the bitchy excluding control freak dil some of you are making her out to be at all. Rather the opposite in fact.

I have had similar ups and downs with my mil. Although not as bad as yours sounds she too lets little things get totally out of proportion like sending texts to dh about how much she misses her grandsons yet when we respond by inviting her here in 2 weeks refuses because it is just too cold and icy. Yes it is but ffs dh will pick her up from the station, hold her arm for the 5m walk to the house from the car and then she doesn't need to leave the house until 2 days later when she goes home! And has labelled ds2 'difficult to settle' at bedtime so won't even try, even though she likes to settle ds1 and ds2 isn't in fact difficult if you just take your time. Lots of other little things too but all along the lines of not having the confidence.

It used to really frustrate both me AND dh. However over time I have done as someone suggested and stopped having any expectations that she will be any help at all and just enjoy her company and the pleasure she and her dgcs get from each other. And she IS helpful actually and I can appreciate what she does when I am expecting NOTHING rather than getting stressed because she isn't doing what MY mum might do. I've stopped expecting her to be as hands on and helpful as my mum and dad who are far more like friends and are a pleasure to have around and just enjoy her for who she is. For sure i can't say I really look forward to her visits but actually when she goes i always think that actually when I relax about it all and don't have any expectations of her / her visit she is much more fun to have around.

We have also started to invite her up more often when i am at work (I work weekends about every other month) so she can just get stuck in (if she wants) without having to worry about what I think.

I think all I am trying to say is try to give her a chance to just get stuck in and possibly mess up. It will be fine you know - your dds will be fine if they eat crap and their routine is a bit to pot for a couple of days. Having said that I felt exactly as you when I was awaiting the arrival of ds2 so I don't think you are wrong to be stressed out by this but just trying to say it actually probably won't be as bad as you htink and maybe your mil will even step up to the mark if there is noone else there with her as she will have no choice? If your dds are school age they will probably even help her by showing her where things go or telling her what they usually do when. It might even be better if she is there when you are in hospital then you can reasonably say that she can go home once you come back and have your mum to help in the early days. I am I know ignoring the practical issues of her not driving but this aside, if you can include her it may well not be as bad as you think.

That aside if you are too stressed i do think that you, esp with previous traumatic birth, need to have what YOU would find helpful at this time and worry about forging relations later. And YANBU to put yourself and your dds first.

As an aside (if you are even still reading as I have waffled on long enough!) in my day job I am a surgeon and although don't have any obstetric experience I have a lot of experience dividing adhesions when patients come in with related problems under my care. And although I clearly don't know your specific issues and there are always risks with any operation, there is no reason to suspect that if all goes well you will have a more prolonged recovery than you would after a regular section. Just trying to reassure you on the point you made earlier about being worried about being forced out of hospital too soon.

Good luck!

nancydrewrocks · 06/01/2010 04:53

Seriously anyone who gets irritated by their MIL allowing their DD to get a toy to play with because she is not sleeping on CHRISTMAS DAY (you know that one day of the year where children get LOADS of toys and are understandably quite excited, difficult to settle and want to play with them) is a control freek.

The child selected the toy (MIL wasn't even present) and then the OP wants to blame the MIL for the DD being upset after the OP tells her she can't have it. Someone please explain to me how on earth that has anything to do with the MIL???

Oh and to be "really upset"* because you MIL had to stay from 24-26 December due to the weather conditions which I guess in NE Scotland are quite bad instead of popping round for a couple of hours on Christmas day and then pissing off home before she causes any disruption adds to the image of control freakery.

Jacksmama · 06/01/2010 06:04

I think the OP is being given a really hard time here , unfairly so.

Poodles, you've had great suggestions from some people - I can only second asking your Mum if she's willing to take on your MIL as well as your DDs, and otherwise, throwing up your hands and letting everyone get on with it.

Best, best of luck with everything.

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nancydrewrocks · 06/01/2010 09:07

Stayfrosty the MIL wasn't even there when the DD chose the car (she had been sent downstairs) I really cannot see how the MIL can be blamed for this. Please enlighten me?

And I disagree that it is appropriate to be pissed off that MIL has to come Christmas Eve due to adverse weather conditions - hardly her fault. What would you suggest the MIL sat at home alone on the first Christmas since she lost her DH rather than "put out" her own family?

These threads make me so mad: There really do appear to be woman out there who believe the whole world revolves around them and that once their DH marries them he should abandon his "old" family.

Imagine the uproar if someone had posted saying "my mum is supposed to be coming for Christmas day, first one on her own since dad died and she is very anxious and hates driving. The weather is severe where we are so she wont be able to drive on Christmas day but can get a lift down the day before but DH says that is to disruptive and is pissed off that she is choosing to put us out in this manner" Half of MN would be screaming divorce the twunt.

And FWIW I know exactly how hard it is to be pregnant with two young children.

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diddl · 06/01/2010 09:25

Is the OPs husband suggesting that his mother looks after the children instead of the OPs mother?

If so, that´s a problem.

If he wants her involved as well,I agree with those who have said let him sort it out.

Also, as I said previously, perhaps he doesn´t relish the idea of coming home to his MIL every day whilst OP is in hospital?

KimiLovesHerFamily · 06/01/2010 09:39

I think you need to make it quite clear to your DH that when you are having his baby you need help from someone who is NOT useless and his mother is worse then useless.

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lucyellensmumagain · 06/01/2010 11:24

ok, ive read the OP and skim read the last page - seems the OP might have been getting a hard time but i can see the problem IS with the op.

poodles: you seem so uptight, understandably - could you not just let things happen? Trying to plan everything is fine, but tying yourself up in knots that people might not conform with this is not doing you any good - i do this all the time so i know. Just make sure you know that the children will be looked after while you have the baby - your MIL and Mum can manage between them im sure. Then just relax and look after yourself and enjoy your new baby. You seem to be "looking for trouble" i dont mean that in a nasty way, but your MIL might just need to be needed and it might be good for all of you. OK, it might not work out like that, and you then have to gently tell her to fuck off back home - in a nice way!

skinsl · 06/01/2010 11:38

God this is awful.
Poor OP.
This thread is probably making it all more stressful!
I sympathise with OP, having a well-meaning but useless MIL. And if she was gonna be anywhere around whilst I was giving birth or after i got back out of hospital it would be enough to give me a nervous breakdown.
But it's not M v MIL, or all MIL are useless, or being a control freak. It's just a situation that the OP is asking for help on. There are a lot of issues to be taken into consideration.It's not very straightforward.FFS
There are lots of good suggestions on here.. giving MIL a set list of things to do being the best example.

OP- either talk to DH and try and insist, which sounds difficult... or make the most of the bad situation and have MIL there for a pre-arranged amount of time, and put your hands up and say "f**ck it!" Hopefully it will only be for a short amount of time.. maybe get your M to help with her like LeQueen says or maybe get DH to explain the routine and maybe give her specific things to do.. like emptying the dishwasher or doing the dishes. I know that means plates will be in with the glasses or whatever, but what the hell?!!

Good luck.
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Casserole · 06/01/2010 11:39

This thread is so beyond control now it's bizarre...

OP here's what I would do. Your Mum i 15 mins away, yes? Book her to come over every day for long days, or as much of them as you want. If your DH wants his Mum to come over too then tell him that's fine but he needs to organise it.

a) she might not come, due to the driving issues
b) if she does, well, that's not the end of the world, she can hang out; your Mum will also be there to help you and you never know, she might gain in confidence a bit and do a bit more.
c) Your kids are going to be disrupted for a bit anyway, they just are with the new baby. Another grandparent around to love them and make them feel special (or to cuddle baby while you have some time with them) is no bad thing. Even if she's not the best in the world at it.

Seriously, just put your own plans in place that give you the help you need, and then let your DH do what he feels he needs to do too.

kitbit · 06/01/2010 11:54

If it were me I would say "lovely, fine, yes let's add your Mum to the support call list". And then when the time comes ring my own mum. The reasons at the time would be "my mum's closer, she can get here quickly".

In fact exactly what Casserole said

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