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MIL - I don't know what to do - LONG

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PoodlesandDoodles · 05/01/2010 11:02

Sorry, name changed for this as I don't really want it to be found.

My MIL and I have an odd relationship - I'm not particularly worldly or glam but she has lived in the same tiny village all her life and has a very narrow world view so she sees me as completely wild and quite scary (I have lived in London, been to universtiy etc). She was also very confined to her own home for years as she was the sole carer for her (very demanding) disabled husband.

Her husband died in February 2009 and she has been a little more outgoing since - however years and years of being worn down by her DH has shattered her confidence, she suffers badly from anxiety and she refuses to drive outwith a few routes from her own house.

We invited her to spend Christmas Day with us, however because of the road conditions (NE Scotland) she ended up arriving on the 24th (when she could get a lift in from someone else) and staying until the 26th (when my DH took her home). TBH I think that would have happened anyway - despite the roads - when we initially invited her for the day her initial reaction was that there would be no buses and she became very anxious about driving. However (I feel) that we really don't have room for her to stay without disrupting our children a lot and tbh I was really upset by the very late change to the Christmas arrangements.

I'm 38 weeks pg and, for Christmas, my DH (who understandably defends his Mum a lot) insisted that she would be a great boon to the family, would help out lots, would mean I was so much more relaxed, she'd be able to tidy all the places in our house that I've not been able to keep on top of etc etc - this actually WASN'T the case - as she has visited our home so very very rarely she wasn't comfortable, she was very anxious and didn't help out at all (didn't offer, I felt I couldn't directly ask her to do things, she didn't even offer to make a cup of tea). In the end I had to joke (to my Mum, not my DH) that her specific brand of helping me seemed to be in her "warming the sofa" abilities.

Now, I'm booked in for a c-section in 8 days time but I obviously could go into labour at any point from now on. My Mum is coming back today from a trip to her sisters (3 hours away) but she is normally only 15 mins down the road. She helps me out a lot with the girls, drops my eldest off at school, is happy on occassions when I need her to help with pick ups etc...

However, my Dh insists that if/when things happen with this baby, his Mum must ALSO be called upon to "help". I absolutely cannot see what help she will be able to provide. She will not drive here, so cannot come in an emergency or during the night - we'd be waiting hours for her to get a bus or find someone to bring her, as oppossed to about 50 mins if she would drive. She cannot take my DDs to school or any of their activities as she won't drive and has no idea where they are (My Mum has taken her around and shown her all these places but it was obvious she was paying no attention at all).

I had 1 contraction the other day and my DH made it obvious that there was no need for my Mum to be called at all, his Mum would be adequete help and childcare etc even if that was it and I/He were out of commission for 5 days while I'm in hospital (he wants to spend as much time in the hospital as he can with myself and the baby)....

But she can't HELP. She only ever sees the girls in HER house for a few hours at the time because she simply isn;t part of their life here. She has no idea of their bedtime routine for example or what we consider acceptable meals or behaviour (one example from Christmas was that she went up to say goodnight to the girls, DD1 wasn't sleeping and my MIL sent her down the stairs to get some toys to take to her room - her new remote control car - it sounds like a really lame thing to be upset about but my Dh and I both instantly told her that was not a bedtime toy, my DD was upset, she wanted back into her own bed and her own room - MIL had been put in her bed in her room - and DD1 cried for a long long time - yes its trivial but it was un-necessary upset for her and more bed swapping) She has no idea what they do (its all written on the calendar so she would know when their activities are) but even if she knows she cannot/will not take them.

Every time she has come through to "help" she has sat on the sofa and not moved. I was admitted to hospital about 6 weeks ago with adbominal pains, she came through that day to help (my Dh had to go to work, my Mum was here looking after the girls) and my Mum says that all she did all that day was sit on the sofa and then go for the bus home.

I can absolutely understand that she wants to be closeby in order to see the baby, but I'm not happy to leave her in charge of the girls for long periods of time, and their lives are going to be disrupted enough without them missing school/playgroup etc....My poor Mum will end up doing all that herself as well as entertaining and chatting to my MIL as she warms the sofa looking anxious as she simply isn't comfortable in our home.

Anyway, most of that is all just background to my main question . I accept that she will be here while I'm in hospital and when I come home. Today I had an idea that I thought might be helpful and I've put little labels on the kitchen cupboards with what is in them, so she'll know where the plates and the tea bags, and the cups the girls use etc are. I've also put up a sheet on the cupboard explaining about DD1's snack and drink that she needs to take to school every day. However now I'm panicking that my Dh will see that as patronising - I know that she could just open all the cupboards and see what is in each of them but I also know in her previous visits she hasn't done this...if my Dh insists she is going to be here to "help" then I want to help her to do that...

But is it really patronising to do this (its NOT a big kitchen - it would take about 15 seconds to open all the cupboard doors and look in them to see what is where...)

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AccioPinotGrigio · 05/01/2010 13:48

In answer to your question about labeling the cupboard, I don't think leaving notes is a bad thing per se but I would put the info in a document rather than post it on the walls - for some reason that doesn't sit well with me. You coud do a little covering note along the lines of - "Thank you so much for being here whilst I am in hospital, to help you find your way around, I have made a few notes on where we keep stuff and some of the kids daily routines" - blah blah blah.

I agree that it does sound like your dh is the bigger problem in all this than his mum. Laying this on you so close to your due date isn't good. But I also think it might be good for her to find her feet in your house, it might give her some confidence. Being a full time carer for a disabled partner is hard work and when that partner dies it can leave lots of residual issues to navigate through. Poor lady.

mistlethrush · 05/01/2010 13:52

Poodles - you've got even more on your plate than you let on earlier. I don't know how you can sort things out with DH though - would he agree that she didn't do anything at Christmas? Would he realise that she couldn't cope with the school run etc? Can you suggest that the optimum solution, for the momement, is for her to come over for a day when the baby is born, then organise a time that she can visit afterwards and 'help out', perhaps a little later on when hopefully you'll have got over things a bit more and things might have settled down a little bit? Things have changed - but she's got years of catching up to do which you can't (and clearly don't) expect to happen overnight - but you might find that having a new baby around gives you the perfect excuse to ask her whether she would be able to help you with specific things when you do have her over. I hope all goes well!

PurpleEglu · 05/01/2010 13:55

OP I think you are really caring and unfortunately it sounds like your DH's aspergers is making it difficult for him to understand his Mothers inability to be of any help in this situation.

How is your Mum with her? Could she ask MIL to do specific things so she doesn't just warm the sofa. It seems that it is unlikely that you will get your way and not have her in the house. I certainly don't think if anything happens during the night that she should be called if like you say she can't drive. She should make her way to your house when its easy for her to do so. I see no reason for you to be hanging around waiting for her.

Is your DH just worried that your Mum is taking over. As it is I would get my Mum round before my MIL too, as like yours she knows my childrens routines, what time they go to school etc.

PoodlesandDoodles · 05/01/2010 14:07

Thanks everyone - you know what, the "throwing my hands up" thing is exactly what I should do with the whole situation...thank you for that..

My Mum is brilliant with my MIL - my Mum is a very experienced Nurse and has worked over a long period of years with geriatrics (not that my MIL is geriatric but my Mum was fantastic with families and carers and things) and TBH my MIL opens up to my Mum more than she ever opens up with either me and definately not with DH...however again my Mum intimidates her but I don;t know what my Mum can do about it - again, if she is intimidated because my Mum worked in Glasgow and is a very highly trained Nurse, its not really my Mum's fault - she has done nothing intentionally to intimidate her...

I don't know if my DH is aware that the promises from both of them that I'd get loads of help at Christmas didn't actually happen....and I suspect as soon as I mention that she won't drive and so my Mum will need to take the girls everywhere as she won;t, Dh will just "shut up shop" - the issue of her not driving (won't rather than can't) has been an issue for years and we have discussed it for years. My point has always been that he'd be a far better son if he encouraged her and pushed her a little in a supportive way rather than just let her stagnate but as far as he sees it, if she doesn't want to drive because she is scared then thats fine...

I don't have the strangth to argue with my Dh over this at the moment - we had the argument before Christmas and the whole Christmas situation hasn't been mentioned since

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diddl · 05/01/2010 14:11

TBH, if she daren´t drive, it´s perhaps as well that she doesn´t!

LeQueen · 05/01/2010 14:32

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Greyhound · 05/01/2010 14:35

The answer is obvious - your MIL must not come to stay. Your h isn't the one having the baby, you are. You are about to have a baby and a major operation. You are the one in charge and, quite frankly, B, knowing what I do of your MIL (it's your dog walking friend here), she will be completely useless and you will get stressed at a time that is stressful enough as it is.

Frankly, I think having a baby is a pretty private matter and the last thing you need is annoying rellies around. She will get plenty of opportunity to see the new baby, but this is not the time for her to come and stay or spend lots of time in your 'space'.

pooexplosions · 05/01/2010 14:35

Christ on a bike Lequeen, you get worse with every post. I can't see any humour in your post this time though so must assume you are actually serious. In which case, Wow, just

diddl · 05/01/2010 14:46

If MIL isn´t capable of doing the day to day things like getting the children where they need to be then there doesn´t seem to be any point in her being there.

Unless she gets on well enough with OPs mum for them to sort something out together.

LeQueen · 05/01/2010 14:50

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pooexplosions · 05/01/2010 14:54

Exactly like it is? Do you tell your husband that his mother is dim and is eclipsed by your mensa member privately educated mother? Do you instruct your children to also treat granny like a small child, with a pat on the head when she successfully irons a baby vest (!)?

How did the woman manage to raise her son well enough to be a husband up to your standards?

cyberseraphim · 05/01/2010 14:54

I hope there are special (narrower to show off skill) parking spaces at the 'Big Food Shops' for Mensa members though. It would be awful if such an important person did not get in first time . I think this must be a joke now - Surely no one is really saying 'Uniform, Kennel, Staff must know their place'. is the answer.

LeQueen · 05/01/2010 15:07

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pooexplosions · 05/01/2010 15:09

Either she has actual difficulties/ disabilities, in which case you sound insensitive, blase and superior, or she doesn't, and you sound insensitive, blase, superior and nasty.

LeQueen · 05/01/2010 15:17

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cyberseraphim · 05/01/2010 15:18

Maybe you should get your MIL to sit your Mum down and explain to her that Mensa is a scam for gullible twits ? Otherwise your poor old Mum might get targetted by fraudsters telling her she's won the Ruritanian Lottery otherwise.

LeQueen · 05/01/2010 15:54

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IsItMeOrSanta · 05/01/2010 16:08

OP - Hope you are getting some ideas on how to cope with this tricky situation.

I just wanted to add that, if your MIL is genuinely scared to drive - and it sounds as if she is - now isn't the time to stress about that. Would you really want your DDs being driven around by somebody who was scared at the wheel? They'd be safer with your mum or DH.

FWIW I would ask your mum to keep a diplomatic eye on things to put your mind at rest, and then just let them all get on with it. You have enough on your plate with the birth and recovery without fretting about what is going on at home. They will all manage well enough without you for those few days.

Best of luck, and hope you are able to build a better relationship with MIL at a later stage. You do sound as if you try to think of her a lot, but not quite sure how best to include her.

madamearcati · 05/01/2010 16:15

'She has no idea of their bedtime routine for example or what we consider acceptable meals or behaviour'

Do you think this is the crux of the matter you have a very rigid way of going on, and your MIL is worrying about getting it wrong.I do think that when relatives are asked to help ,then they should be allowed to do things their way.
However i think it will be very hard on you to come home from hospital and have your MIL there.Much better to give it a week or so and then have her round to 'help' and then just let her get on with it.I'm sire your DC will survive and any change to their routine will be more than compensated for by buildiong a relationship with another loving grandmother

LeQueen · 05/01/2010 16:21

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Longtalljosie · 05/01/2010 16:24

Look - there are two separate issues here.

Should the OP let her MIL take a greater role, make mistakes, get more involved? Yes, although it will be a bit stressful and involve a lot of lip-biting in the short term

Should this happen just as the OP is about to give birth? Hell no! Stress is supposed to be minimised at a time like that!

LeQueen · 05/01/2010 16:30

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cyberseraphim · 05/01/2010 16:41

The best way to de fuse stress is to be conciliatory and to admit that you are not perfect either. Does MIL even want to be involved. if I am being honest, I would not want to help someone like the OP but might if someone made me feel it was my duty and I might do it in a grudging way and try to understand why the person was so difficult to get on with- and why all the anger is being directed at others. Sorry I am only human too.

Longtalljosie · 05/01/2010 16:47

Hang on - I think too much is being read into this. Just because she doesn't want her routine interrupted, it doesn't make her a control freak. And to the person who suggested her MIL couldn't possibly know what an appropriate bedtime toy was - any idiot could see that a child taking a remote control electric car up to her room was unlikely to snuggle up with it. I think some people are being mean for the sake of it

cyberseraphim · 05/01/2010 16:57

She could employ a doula - oh maybe they cost more than wringing work of out of family members that you neither like nor respect. What a sad start to what is supposed to be a happy time. My DS takes a remote control car into his bedroom at night but always puts it on the floor before the light goes out but then he's probably Mensa material.