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MIL - I don't know what to do - LONG

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PoodlesandDoodles · 05/01/2010 11:02

Sorry, name changed for this as I don't really want it to be found.

My MIL and I have an odd relationship - I'm not particularly worldly or glam but she has lived in the same tiny village all her life and has a very narrow world view so she sees me as completely wild and quite scary (I have lived in London, been to universtiy etc). She was also very confined to her own home for years as she was the sole carer for her (very demanding) disabled husband.

Her husband died in February 2009 and she has been a little more outgoing since - however years and years of being worn down by her DH has shattered her confidence, she suffers badly from anxiety and she refuses to drive outwith a few routes from her own house.

We invited her to spend Christmas Day with us, however because of the road conditions (NE Scotland) she ended up arriving on the 24th (when she could get a lift in from someone else) and staying until the 26th (when my DH took her home). TBH I think that would have happened anyway - despite the roads - when we initially invited her for the day her initial reaction was that there would be no buses and she became very anxious about driving. However (I feel) that we really don't have room for her to stay without disrupting our children a lot and tbh I was really upset by the very late change to the Christmas arrangements.

I'm 38 weeks pg and, for Christmas, my DH (who understandably defends his Mum a lot) insisted that she would be a great boon to the family, would help out lots, would mean I was so much more relaxed, she'd be able to tidy all the places in our house that I've not been able to keep on top of etc etc - this actually WASN'T the case - as she has visited our home so very very rarely she wasn't comfortable, she was very anxious and didn't help out at all (didn't offer, I felt I couldn't directly ask her to do things, she didn't even offer to make a cup of tea). In the end I had to joke (to my Mum, not my DH) that her specific brand of helping me seemed to be in her "warming the sofa" abilities.

Now, I'm booked in for a c-section in 8 days time but I obviously could go into labour at any point from now on. My Mum is coming back today from a trip to her sisters (3 hours away) but she is normally only 15 mins down the road. She helps me out a lot with the girls, drops my eldest off at school, is happy on occassions when I need her to help with pick ups etc...

However, my Dh insists that if/when things happen with this baby, his Mum must ALSO be called upon to "help". I absolutely cannot see what help she will be able to provide. She will not drive here, so cannot come in an emergency or during the night - we'd be waiting hours for her to get a bus or find someone to bring her, as oppossed to about 50 mins if she would drive. She cannot take my DDs to school or any of their activities as she won't drive and has no idea where they are (My Mum has taken her around and shown her all these places but it was obvious she was paying no attention at all).

I had 1 contraction the other day and my DH made it obvious that there was no need for my Mum to be called at all, his Mum would be adequete help and childcare etc even if that was it and I/He were out of commission for 5 days while I'm in hospital (he wants to spend as much time in the hospital as he can with myself and the baby)....

But she can't HELP. She only ever sees the girls in HER house for a few hours at the time because she simply isn;t part of their life here. She has no idea of their bedtime routine for example or what we consider acceptable meals or behaviour (one example from Christmas was that she went up to say goodnight to the girls, DD1 wasn't sleeping and my MIL sent her down the stairs to get some toys to take to her room - her new remote control car - it sounds like a really lame thing to be upset about but my Dh and I both instantly told her that was not a bedtime toy, my DD was upset, she wanted back into her own bed and her own room - MIL had been put in her bed in her room - and DD1 cried for a long long time - yes its trivial but it was un-necessary upset for her and more bed swapping) She has no idea what they do (its all written on the calendar so she would know when their activities are) but even if she knows she cannot/will not take them.

Every time she has come through to "help" she has sat on the sofa and not moved. I was admitted to hospital about 6 weeks ago with adbominal pains, she came through that day to help (my Dh had to go to work, my Mum was here looking after the girls) and my Mum says that all she did all that day was sit on the sofa and then go for the bus home.

I can absolutely understand that she wants to be closeby in order to see the baby, but I'm not happy to leave her in charge of the girls for long periods of time, and their lives are going to be disrupted enough without them missing school/playgroup etc....My poor Mum will end up doing all that herself as well as entertaining and chatting to my MIL as she warms the sofa looking anxious as she simply isn't comfortable in our home.

Anyway, most of that is all just background to my main question . I accept that she will be here while I'm in hospital and when I come home. Today I had an idea that I thought might be helpful and I've put little labels on the kitchen cupboards with what is in them, so she'll know where the plates and the tea bags, and the cups the girls use etc are. I've also put up a sheet on the cupboard explaining about DD1's snack and drink that she needs to take to school every day. However now I'm panicking that my Dh will see that as patronising - I know that she could just open all the cupboards and see what is in each of them but I also know in her previous visits she hasn't done this...if my Dh insists she is going to be here to "help" then I want to help her to do that...

But is it really patronising to do this (its NOT a big kitchen - it would take about 15 seconds to open all the cupboard doors and look in them to see what is where...)

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LeQueen · 05/01/2010 17:09

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ChippingIn · 05/01/2010 17:09

Poodles&Doodles - I don't know what's going on - but it's gone mad. I just don't understand it....

Someone will post one day 'I don't want my MIL to visit the newborn, first, grandchild for 6 weeks after the birth, not even for 5 mins, even though she lives up the road, so we can bond as a family' and everyone tells her she's well within her rights.... you post with a very difficult situation and you're the devils spawn.....

I am very confused....

I think you are doing remarkably well not to have chucked your toys out of the cot - with this thread & at home....

I don't know what the answer is, it's very, very difficult. If your husband didn't have Asp I'd be telling him to pull his head in, that you need actual help and that your Mum is in a position to do this, whereas his Mum is just creating more work etc etc but only you can know what your husband also needs right now, to not have a repeat of last time

[As an aside question and please feel free to ignore it - did you know your DH had aspergers when you met/married?]

LeQueen · 05/01/2010 17:20

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cyberseraphim · 05/01/2010 18:11

Lots of autism in my family too - 3 more than the OP actually so no sympathy vote there. I get help from people that is often misguided and even downright dangerous at times but it is well intentioned and that matters a lot more to me than someone knowing how to drive a car somewhere. I do have lots of help though and I might be lucky that way but I'm certainly not going to risk it by putting everyone through hazing or boot camp to bring them up to my 'standard'. The more help you can get around you, the less you focus on the 'failings' you see in others. It is harder if you have less people to call on , and they may get fewer still as time goes on. The one or two people left become the focus of your attention and expectations can escalate. This probably sounds like something from Hallmark - but the less you expect from people, the more you get. Works for me anyway. I'm not saying OP is a lost cause and pregnancy may excuse a lot but starting the new life with some attitudes might help too.

diddl · 05/01/2010 18:26

I thought the child selected the toy, not MIL.

Also, why would MIL know the routine if she hasn´t been there that often?

I´m sure if she was told it she could cope!

LeQueen · 05/01/2010 18:46

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skinsl · 05/01/2010 18:56

You really don't need this.
Sorting stickers is a nice idea, but just more work for you!
The men never understand that the MIL don't always help.
I think it would just be far too stressful for you.
I just had a similar experience over Xmas for 3 weeks and when she left I was so relieved. And i don't have a pregnancy to worry about.
Stick to your guns, explain as best you can to DH, and good luck! x

claw3 · 05/01/2010 18:59

God all that and the question is are you being unreasonable to label cupboards that take about 15 seconds to look through.............Yes you are.

Morloth · 05/01/2010 19:00

I think you should stop worrying about your other kids for a few days and let your DH sort them out.

They are not going to come to any harm having messed up routines and chocolate buttons for breakfast for a few days.

Just leave them (your DH, your Mum and your MIL) too it. If three adults can't sort out a couple of kids while their mum is away then you have really big problems.

StayFrosty · 05/01/2010 19:02

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motherbeyond · 05/01/2010 19:09

sorry,i'd put my foot down.dh would have to lump it.i wouldn't be "panicking" about what he thinks of labels either !don't you have the kind of relationship where you could say something like ..oo..i don't know "fuck off dh!there is absoloutely no way i want your mother here cluttering up my house when i come back with a new born after a c-section...get a grip!"? i would!

ChippingIn · 05/01/2010 19:16

Motherbeyond - did you read the whole thread? Her DH has Aspergers and didn't cope last time she had a baby, he ended up in Emergency & was really ill - I don't think telling him to 'fuck off & get a grip' is really going to do her much good! (Ordinarily I'd be right there with you!!).

traceybath · 05/01/2010 19:30

Poodles I was in a very similar situation when I had my second dc.

C-section booked in and in-laws primed to come and look after ds1. Well I wasn't keen but needs must.

Anyway Dc2 decided to make an early appearance and need a week in NICU so I had no choice but to leave mil to it. And you know - she was fab. She got on with stuff because she was in charge and evil control freak dil (me) wasn't around to interfere.

It was I think the making of our relationship.

Had dc3 this summer and she was again wonderful looking after poorly little dc2 who had chicken pox at the time. But still I came home to an immaculate home and not a scrap of washing/ironing to be done and even freshly washed/ironed bedlinen on my bed. I then spent a couple of days babymooning in my room whilst she ran the house - bliss.

So there is hope

I do wonder though about your DH wanting to be at the hospital all the time. Ime when you already have children your DH just can not spend all his time at the hospital - he needs to prioritise the existing dc's really.

Good luck though but really - I think she'll cope admirably when you're not there. And the odd biscuit really isn't an issue worth stressing over.

MiladyDeWinter · 05/01/2010 19:34

Tricky, and I haven't read it all yet, but your MIL sounds just like my prospective MIL who functioned very much as a child. Lovely she was, but not the most pro-active person.

She used to watch cooking programmes all day then go out and buy mince and potatoes which she would cook dry.

Sometimes she would buy pre-cooked things with mince in and say, "I don't understand why it's so much nicer" having watched (with me) people frying onion and garlic, herbs, butter, tomatoes, whatever.

Amazing and good that some people do manage in the world, prospective FIL was a bit like that too but they did OK.

I wouldn't put up with their "help" though.

cyberseraphim · 05/01/2010 19:49

The AIBU section is intended for honest answers - if it had been in Chat, I would not have replied - there is a time and a place for grumbling on about other people being no use etc. It sounds as if the relations are strained and difficult for everyone - It must have been the grimmest sofa in Britain over Christmas by the sounds of it and it's such a shame when it's not necessary - If you don't like her, don't involve her but it will have an impact on your relationship with your DH and I get the feeling the OP is looking for a magic answer that cuts out the MIL without any consequences for her or anyone else - but that is not a realistic expectation.

pigletmania · 05/01/2010 19:51

look poodles you have to tell your dh this, be more assertive and put your foot down, you are the one giving birth not him. I was in a similar situation with MIL/FIL when giving birth to my only dc, they are from abroad and so stayed with us for about 2 months, one month before the birth and one month after. Even though they were helpful, they were also interferring and had their way of doing things which really annoyed me and very critical, but dh instid that MIL was there for the birth and that they stay to 'help' My mum is elderly and finds it diffiult to cope. If we have another dc i really do not want them staying like they did before though dh would want them there. We would have to cross that bridge though when we come to it.

weefriend · 05/01/2010 20:33

Ouch at some of the responses here!

After last time it is entirely understandable that you are very anxious about the birth and what will happen around you. I think there have been some good ideas here. I think it would be fine, and arguably (for your dh) "equal" for both grannies to share the care. I'd get your mum to take charge and make suggestions. She'll be able to gauge pretty quickly if that is going to work. If not then she can just let MIL be while she gets on with it.

Yes write down useful information about routines and food but I would maybe hold off labelling cupboards.

LeQueen · 05/01/2010 20:38

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mistlethrush · 05/01/2010 21:00

But would some of those criticising the OP be willing to leave your daughters with a grandmother that they haven't got to know well, who is too timid to drive (and will presumably have to take them in the car to school). Alternatively, if you think that both grandmothers should be invited, would you be prepared to foist your MiL (who currently doesn't know what to do to help) as an added burden onto your own mother?

Poodles - I think that the best option would be to have a talk with your Mother and see if SHE is willing to take charge, and try to involve your MiL and help her to work out how she can help.

motherbeyond · 05/01/2010 21:14

chippingin....nope...didn't read it!i shall now shut up!

cyberseraphim · 05/01/2010 21:41

Would any Jury convict her though Queenie ? 'Honest my weirdo, sorry lovely, DIL only seemed to be lingering by the socket, I was just trying to help her. The Lord only knows how the cloth got down her throat !'

MiladyDeWinter · 05/01/2010 21:48

LeQueen I know, I do.

Oh, how I do. These simple people can be so lethal

FultonMcKay · 05/01/2010 22:20

LeQueen, stop trying to up the ante on your remarks and hijack the post!

Ingles2 · 05/01/2010 22:28

LeQueen you have been making me laugh recently but I think your infamy has started to go to your head...
This is not your thread, stop hijacking FFS

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