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OI! Homophobes! Over here!

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ooojimaflip · 10/12/2009 17:23

I'm genuinly interested in why you object to homosexuality, and everytime I ask on the other thread it gets lost in the general hubbub.

So - name change if you want, but please tell me what your objections are?

If it's because it's not natural or against biology, please expand your answer to include why you care about that.

Show your working for extra credit.

n.b. Don't bother if it's a religous justification, you'll need to find someone who believes in that kind of stuff to debate with as I'll just dismiss that out of hand. If you are a homopohbic religous person with a secular objection then please go ahead.

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LeninGrotto · 10/12/2009 22:40

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ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight · 10/12/2009 22:41

Oh bloody hell. AIDS has nothing to do with evolution. Straights get AIDS. Straights like bumsex. And your comment on lesbians - seriously, what a twat.

MeltedTreeChocolates · 10/12/2009 22:43

Lol yeah, too slow, I found it in Lev 15.

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ooojimaflip · 10/12/2009 22:44

Oblomov - it sounds like your dh has is uncomfortable with gay men, but attempts not to express this. What would he feel about issues regarding legislation etc. If he attmepts to evaluate these things rationally, then I wouldn'y say he was homophobic. He had experiences that have left him with negative feelings. That is very unfortunate and understandable. It is how he deals with it that is the issue.

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lindsaygii · 10/12/2009 22:45

You know, I always think these people who spend so much time worrying about other people's sex lives should get a hobby, to be honest.

Take the Pope for example - if he took up golf, the world would be a much nicer place. And the Taliban. They should take up golf too.

Less nosying, more golfing. From all homophobes and sexual busybodies everywhere, please!

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ooojimaflip · 10/12/2009 22:46

Notanamechanger - if you believe that but it doesn't change your behaviour (you say you have gay freinds etc) - then I don't really care.

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ooojimaflip · 10/12/2009 22:47

OI - CHRISTIANS - If your gonna debate scripture get your own bloomin' thread

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Notanamechanger · 10/12/2009 22:47

No, I'm not being ironic. AIDS originated from males having anal sex as the anal lining is much thinner than the vagina and allows infection to pass through. Fact. Anal walls weren't designed for sex - that's why they tear. That's why my 17 year old gay friend had to put Savlon up his arse after unprotected sex with a strange man in an underpass. Poor boy is probably dead by now. If homosexuality conferred an evolutionary advantage then how do you rationalise the fact that it damages the individual's body and creates a killer disease?

MammaHunt · 10/12/2009 22:47

I wouldnt say i was a homophobe, but it is clear that they are not equal. What do they contribute to society? Im 17 years old and have 5 children; kids who will grow up to give something to society. Gays do nothing. They sponge on the system. FACT

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ooojimaflip · 10/12/2009 22:49

lindsaygall - I was with you up to golf. Golf is for cunts. Apart from the people I know who play golf. Most of them are quite nice. Which is annoying.

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Notanamechanger · 10/12/2009 22:50

Ooji - if anything, I have the utmost sympathy for gays. Their lives are often infinitely harder than straights.

Oblomov · 10/12/2009 22:51

oooj, what like when he has a gay man working for him. he has had many, over the years, one currently. he doesn't care. I think, that as long as the bloke doesn't say 'fancy a bum', like the big gay following guy does ( which dh incidentally thinks is funny, as do I), then he's not bovered.
is that the kind of thing you were refering to ?

Oblomov · 10/12/2009 22:55

lets excuse namechanger and mama. we were having a reasonable discussion until then.

Notanamechanger · 10/12/2009 22:56

Don't lump me in with mamma - I find her comments offensive too!

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ooojimaflip · 10/12/2009 22:58

MammaHunt - that's an interesting economic argument. Homosexuals are likely to be net contributors and are likely to pay more tax - this is in large part due to not having children. Also they are as likely as anyone to be involved in the lives of the community and their familes as anyone else. If they don't have children they are not burdening society with the costs of educating them etc.

I would need a lot of convincing to believe that having children is the only way of contributing to society.

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daftpunk · 10/12/2009 22:59

oooji;

it's difficult to discuss this without sounding totally homophobic....

partly religious, mainly other reasons...

nothing to do with being uneducated....plenty of thick homosexuals..

Rindercella · 10/12/2009 23:01

I sort of thought MammaHunt was taking the piss (please let this be the case)

Sugarberry · 10/12/2009 23:03

Hello... I find homosexuality unnatural and i truly do not want to asociate or have anything to do with them. I do feel sorry for those of them that are under the illusion that they were made like that.They give me goosebumps and fortunately i don't have any relative or friend that is one. THank you

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ooojimaflip · 10/12/2009 23:03

notanamechanger- if a 17 year girl had unprotected sex with a strange man in an underpass there could well have been the same result.

Risky behaviour is risky behaviour.

AIDS was a mutation of a virus that probably came from monkeys by eating bush meat. Anal sex is a particualrly high risk activity for spreading it, but Anal sex is not an exclusivly homosexual activity nor do all gay people do it.

From what you have written you seems to be anti Anal sex rather than anti-gay.

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ooojimaflip · 10/12/2009 23:05

I hope Mamahunt is NOT taking the piss - we have a very poor hit rate of homophobes so far.

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Rindercella · 10/12/2009 23:07

Ahh, but Sugarberry just came along and got the hit rate up a few notches

Notanamechanger · 10/12/2009 23:08

I don't object to anyone being homosexual, but I do not believe it is a 'natural' or 'normal' state. I believe it is acquired behaviour, not innate. And yes, I know some people believe there's a 'gay gene' but its existence could only be said to show an association between that gene and homosexuality, not cause and effect. It's like saying people living in Croydon tend to wear high ponytails - not the same as saying living in Croydon makes you wear a high ponytail.
Because I believe it is an acquired behaviour I do not agree with teaching homosexuality to young children - if only because I don't want my ds to be that boy with the bloodied arse in the underpass.

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ooojimaflip · 10/12/2009 23:08

daftpunk- if your comfortable with the non-religous regions would you describe them? If they don't work without the religous ones, then this probably isn't the right place for them though.

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sprouting · 10/12/2009 23:08

Can you expand your answer Sugarberry?

Notanamechanger · 10/12/2009 23:10

X post ooji, yes but I still genuinely don't understand the butch lesbian bit.