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In wanting to make disability hate crimes as illegal and unaccepatable as race hate crimes?

89 replies

sickofsocalledexperts · 11/11/2009 10:52

After watching Rosa Monkton's programme last night, on families coping not only with severely disabled children, but also with feral hooligans shouting abuse at them, punching them, throwing bricks through their windows and making their lives a misery - unchecked by police or law - can I ask if mumsnetters would join me in outlawing disablity hate crimes?

Just possibly it might stop another case happening like that poor poor Fiona Pilkington's, where she burned herself and her disabled daughter to death in a car rather than continue to face abuse from unparented, ignorant youths who had been making their lives a misery for years. And then again last week, where a mother of a long-bullied special needs teenager died saving his life from a fire, caused by the bullies putting a firework through her door! And they watched as she burned to death!

Now it is happening again with a bunch of kids making Asher Nardone and her family's life a misery in Poole, Dorset. Whoever is "mothering" the children who daily hurl abuse at Asher's terribly disabled child, and his brother, should be stripped of the title mother. She's just babysitting the next generation of ciminals in my book. Please ask politicians and lawmakers to say no to disablity hate crimes, to offer real penalities for them, and to help protect our most vulnerable members of society from those with least humanity.

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VengefulSinner · 11/11/2009 11:08
VengefulSinner · 11/11/2009 11:09

Eeek, excuse my awful typos

anonandlikeit · 11/11/2009 11:10

Completely agree!
As a society we should not tolerate it, parents of disabled children are too exhausted caring & fighting for services & support to fight this battle alone.

sickofsocalledexperts · 11/11/2009 11:11

Thank you vengefulsinner, thank you for your support! I wonder if we can get some political support too, as David Cameron was on this programme last night (speaking very movingly about his disabled son Ivan).Thanks for being first!

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sickofsocalledexperts · 11/11/2009 11:16

Thank you Anon - I too do not see how mums of SEN kids could cope with this abuse on top of everything else they go through in life. How can ANYONE abuse a child who is physically and mentally disabled - what kind of person thinks that is ok, or funny? It is the worst kind of bullying in the world, because the victim LITERALLY cannot answer back. I think the whole point of society ought to be to protect those who have no voice of their own.

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5inthebed · 11/11/2009 11:18

Where do I sign up?

sickofsocalledexperts · 11/11/2009 11:20

Just here, 5, I reckon a big response on mumsnet is as good as a petition nowadays.

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pippa251 · 11/11/2009 11:25

I find it all aalling however I believe that All hate crimes should be taken seriously- who is creating these animals?

pippa251 · 11/11/2009 11:27

sorry- I meant apalling- have just been pooed on by a baby

sadlynoNOTthatPeachy · 11/11/2009 11:33

YANBU

Have ben in the position of being scared as someone railed at me about an alledged attack by my SN son (for whom I cannot get enough school input- attack urned out to be a wind up by his son btw) and itreally did affect me badly, couldn't go to school alone for ages.

Yet I am lucky it is not worse.

sickofsocalledexperts · 11/11/2009 11:33

I agree Pippa, we need to take back the streets from these gangs of feral youths that no-one is bothering to parent, and the law is powerless to act against.

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sadlynoNOTthatPeachy · 11/11/2009 11:33

(By railed I mean cornerd and shouted at by a alrge man, rather than whinged btw)

roulade · 11/11/2009 11:36

I'm in!

2shoes · 11/11/2009 11:38

yanbu
having been targeted by the shits up the road for 3 years, I think it is about time something was done.
at the moment it is all down to the victims to prove it.

AMumInScotland · 11/11/2009 11:38

While I agree that it's terrible that people are treated this way, I'm not sure that making specific categories of crime - like racially motivated - a separate category is the answer.

Surely it doesn't matter why the yobs have decided to pick on this family? If it wasn't a family with a disabled child, or a family of a different racial background, they'd still be making life intolerable for someone for no good reason.

Isn't the answer to give police the powers to intervene in yob behaviour and bullying and harassment whatever the background?

sickofsocalledexperts · 11/11/2009 11:41

Yes, amuminscotland, I think we need some serious "anti bullying" and "anti harassment" laws, and penalties. Not just ASBOs and slaps on the wrist. But I think that the disabled and their families are least able to fight back in our society, hence my petition. Boot camp for the yobs, I say, thus also creating lots of new employment for the people who run the boot camps. Surely it is time to say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH when a mum is burned to death by bullies who have been picking on her learning difficulties son so badly that she had to walk him to college every day for 5 years?

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sb6699 · 11/11/2009 11:42

Count me in.

Absolutely appalled at the behaviour of these animals.

Their parents should be ashamed.

madamearcati · 11/11/2009 11:45

It is illegal to terrorise anybody.
The problem is that it should be enforced.

5inthebed · 11/11/2009 11:47

Well I am definitely in.

sickofsocalledexperts · 11/11/2009 11:49

You're right sb6699, but the problem I think is that these parents don't even know what the word shame means, let alone how to feel it. They let their kids go out in big gangs, and probably have the same racist/anti-disabled attitudes that their kids have. I remember when we were at school that some nasty little kids used words like "spas" and "mong", but nowadays it's gone way beyond that, with bricks through windows, full blown assaults and now fireworks through the door. Apparently in poor Fiona Pilkington's case, the yobs would stand in her front garden calling her severely disabled daughter Francesca "Frankenstein", injuring her other child, and then jeering that there's nothing she can do as the poilce can't do anything. What is happening to our society? Someone, Cameron or Brown, please stand up to the bullies!

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sadlynoNOTthatPeachy · 11/11/2009 11:56

I think the reason it is categorised is becuase steps can be targetted once something ahs identified- otherwise its easy to sweep under a proverbial bush.

In the 1970's when I was small, racial abuse was normal, now it's a massive no-no and thank goodness for that. A lot of that is becuase racialawareness activity has been stepped up, and we need to reach that level for SN..... maybe then the generic anti bullying thing will work out

sickofsocalledexperts · 11/11/2009 11:59

..exactly what I was trying to say Peachy - even actual racists know now that they CAN'T say racist things, or they are in major trouble. We need the same thing to happen about disability - it's a mix of law and public opinion turning. No longer can Jim Davidson make his racist jokes, now we need the same thing to happen on disability.

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pagwatch · 11/11/2009 12:02

I think a petition is a good idea but will achieve naught because currently society doesn't give a shit.

Persoanlly I would like to see all familes with vulnerable children who are being targetted by local yobs being given a big fucking gun. And permission to use it.

Squishabelle · 11/11/2009 12:02

Count me in. I know a boy with a disability who is being bullied terribly at mainstream school. It makes my blood boil.

ShinyAndNew · 11/11/2009 12:03

I'm in. I watched the programme last night. I found it shocking that some eejits people still think it is accpetable to treat people way, just because they are different to the 'norm'

I also found the lack of support that parents of SN children get shocking.

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