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in thinking that if we have monthly income of £3700 net we could spare £120 to spend on a cleaner?

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effedorf · 01/11/2009 20:03

3+ years posting here, namechange for obvious reasons.

But, seriously, what do you think?

The income all comes from dh and I am sahm. We have two primary school age children. I truly hate cleaning and I do 95% of the food shopping and cooking and 100% of the laundry and 95% of all the other things that makes a family tick over.

Or am I being unreasonable?

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LeninGuy · 02/11/2009 00:07

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Haunty27 · 02/11/2009 00:08

Wheeeen I was married had the same thing, I was on maternity leave (so maybe not quite the same thing)and looking after two dcs under 3. DXH was working very long hours and not contributing much in terms of childcare or domestics but he was earning loadsamoney. So, knowing I only had a limited time with them, (and I am a cleaning freak) I thought it would be equitable to get a cleaner. The garden was huge too and I didn't have a gardner either. (tongue in cheek).

I used the argument that not only could I devote more time to dcs but I could also devote more time to him and supporty him by cooking lovely meals and making cutbacks on food shopping because I would have more time to shop around etc. He did agree, eventually. It wasn't a lazy issue though.

Anyways, he hadn't got much of an argument. Simples.

Mummee · 02/11/2009 00:09

Effe then start getting the fag money again, with inflation am sure this is now closer to £120.

If you know you deserve one and the money is yours then just do it...is that toxic advice?

Haunty27 · 02/11/2009 00:10

Oh, he went off with someone else, I work full time and I'm now skint as he doesn't contribute so the idea of a cleaner is a life away. lol

Haunty27 · 02/11/2009 00:13

Sorry, keep posting by mistake. The above is meant as another way of looking at it.

So, what are you going to do with the free time? Will it benefit the family???? That's your argument lol.

Good luck

Think it was a bit crass to post the salary, and fwiw it ain't all that for a family of 4 and as mentioned previously it depends whether that's just spends.

Mummee · 02/11/2009 00:13

I just wouldn't do the jobs for x months and see what happens.

Very toxic advice, she has kids not right to live in a tip to make a point.

Haunty27 · 02/11/2009 00:17

Mummee - Striking never worked for me, just made me miserable.

Northernlurker · 02/11/2009 00:22

If the op doesn't like domestic 'drudgery' (and who does - apart from Anthea Turner - eek) then I don't understand why she doesn't seek paid or indeed unpaid voluntary work to occupy her time? It's the 'I want a cleaner whilst I sahm' that I just don't get - and I suspect the op's husband shares that feeling. It seems very self indulgent - and yes he may love his job but the demands of it take him away from his wife and family and mean that he can't do exactly as he pleases between the hours of 9-3pm as she can. It's not all roses on his side of the fence.

Vallhala · 02/11/2009 00:42

Hmmm Northern.... I know a man in much the same position as Effed's DH. Wife (SAHM for years now), 1 DD (just started Uni), 2 cats, comfortable income, businessman lifestyle (no overtime but a career not a job and overseas travel). They've had a cleaner for years.

I can't see him wanting to give up his demanding job which takes him away from home and curtails his freedom in return for being a SAH cleaner Mum and I suspect that Effed's DH may be the same. It may not be all roses but I know whose responsibilities I'd prefer and it would not be cleaning the loo!

Self indulgent? Possibly. I don't see anything wrong with that if the DC aren't going hungry to accommodate it. It could be argued that a DH is just as self indulgent for following his career leaving his DW with all the less desirable jobs.

alwayslookingforanswers · 02/11/2009 00:45

Northern - it was my (then working full time plus a part time job in the evenings) DH that suggested a cleaner many years ago.

I was initially reluctant (thought it was a slight on my crap wonderful housekeeping skills)......turns out it wasn't - but unfortuantely by the time I'd realised what a fab idea it was we couldn't afford it

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bigTillyMint · 02/11/2009 07:34

What's wrong with employing a cleaner if you can afford it? It gives someone else a job.

I too hate cleaning, but I do the minimum possible in short bursts on the days when I am not at work (I work part-time) and I make DH do some jobs regularly too. I do all the shopping, cooking and 90% of the washing as well as organising ALL the family's social events/clubs, etc. And I still get time to go to the gym / for coffee / lunch, etc on my 2 days at home.

Perhaps OP has very high standards fot cleaning and so it would take up ages of her time?

violethill · 02/11/2009 07:52

Gosh this has all got a bit heated!

FWIW, I don't think most people are taking a hard line 'Thou shalt have a life of drudgery doing housework' approach. I really don't think people are saying the OP ought to do the housework to justify her time at home. They are saying they are a little surprised, that when the family are living on a decent but by no means high income, the OP is so reluctant to carry out some aspects of domestic life. That's all.

Re: Quattro's posts. I certainly don't think she is saying'Oh woe is me, my job is so tough, therefore someone at home should be having it tough too!' I've read enough of Quattro's posts on this and other threads to pick up that her attitiude is pretty similar to mine - ie: she has a high level career she finds stimulating and enjoyable, but that like with ANYTHING, there are bits that are tedious, hard graft, and not what you might choose to be doing at that particular moment. That's all.

To look at it another way - when our children moan at having to tidy their bedroom, or load the dishwasher, do we all turn around and say 'Of course you don't have to do that darling if you don't want to - we'll pay a cleaner to do it!'? Of course we don't - because we recognise that having to do things that we don't always feel like is part of life, and that learning to stick to a task and get it done rather than whinging is excellent preparation for life. I don't see why adulthood is fundamentally different - no one gives you a magic passport to a life spent doing exactly as you please when you turn 18!

Yes, the OP says has husband loves his job, and wouldn't want to cut his hours. Well, I love my job and don't want to cut my hours. But like I said, there are still some bits that aren't enjoyable, and are hard graft. I bet that's the reality with her DH too. These things aren't black and white - love it 100% or hate it 100%. Life is a little more complex.

At the end of the day, I couldn't give a stuff if the OP gets a cleaner or doesn't, but as I said in my first post, she needs to get the agreement of her DH, because ultimately, HE is sole earner, and they aren't living on megabucks, and he may have strong feelings about spending the money on other things, given that the OP has plenty of time to do housework, she just doesn't want to.

I also think that the argument about needing to stay home to support his career is a bit disingenuous. With the kids at school, even a little part time fitting around school hours job would easily bring in well over £120 a month, and then there would be no issue would there? The family would have a cleaner AND more money left over!

EyeballsintheSky · 02/11/2009 07:56

Bloody hell, Mumsnet is in a bad mood these days. What a lot of very resentful, envious, chauvenistic posts.

So SAHMs sit in front of Jeremy Kyle all day. Riiiiight, must remember that one for when DD is pulling at my arm for the thousandth time that morning. Or when I'm up five or six times with her in the night while DH sleeps because he's got to go to work despite the fact that for three days I also have to get up for work.

SAHMs aren't entitled to have an opinion on how a joint income is spent. What year is this again?

SAHMs must spend every second of their time doing menial tasks which btw take up a lot more hours than your average working day. I know because I do both. My days at work are a hell of a lot easier than my days at home.

Husbands can fritter away money lining the pockets of Starbucks but SAHMs must account for every penny they spend and it must be all essentials, no luxuries.

Oh and never mention money as anyone who earns less than you will instantly feel offended.

We might be skint but I'm glad I live in my world and not some of yours...

violethill · 02/11/2009 08:03

Eyeballs - just because YOUR work days are easier than your days at home, doesn't make that true for everyone.

Personally I find the opposite - being at home is easier compared to working. Not as stimulating, but certainly easier.

Also, there are a lot of pointing out that the OPs family income ISN'T that great. I certainly wouldn't look at having a cleaner on that income with one parent at home all day. I accept that for some people, that seems a lot of money (though I haven't noticed anyone say they're jealous) but there have also been many posters pointing out that it's not a great income for a family of four with school age kids, particularly if they have a mortgage, cars to run etc etc

LaurieScaryCake · 02/11/2009 08:05

I can't believe the people criticising the OP for stating her income

we can talk about fanjo

fanjo juice

bum sex

dragonbutter

pirate sex noises

home surgery where we squeeeze fanjo boils

and yet posting the figure of £3700 is crass

WHAT A PILE OF ARSE

KimiTheThreadSlayingRocket · 02/11/2009 08:06

I do not have a problem with someone posting how much their other half earns, any more than I have a problem with people moaning how little they have, but I am guessing to earn so much your DH works hard.

I think you are being a little unreasonable over wanting a cleaner though

Niknak21 · 02/11/2009 08:07

YANBU but need to make DH realise how great it is to have a regular clean. I have the messy gene but now we have a cleaner it makes me keep the place in a better state, the way she leaves it

violethill · 02/11/2009 08:08

ROFL at Laurie's post. Very true!

Look, OP - talk to yoru DH again, and see if he agrees that it would be £120 well spent. And if he doesn't, then go and earn at least that much yourself, it could be done easily fitting around school hours, and even then you'd have acres of time left over with the kids in school, it won't impact on your DH's work life at all and then you can quite justifiable spend on a cleaner and not have to bother consulting MN!!

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Longtalljosie · 02/11/2009 08:12

I'm with Eyeballs. I can't believe people are suggesting a SAHM has to ask her husband's permission to spend money. The courts (hardly a trailblazing bastion of gender equality) treat assets accrued during marriage as part of a joint effort. But on Mumsnet the view is that the woman should just shut up, clean the bog, and be grateful for her housekeeping allowance? FFS

I have a cleaner. She does two hours a week and I'd give up buying new clothes before I gave her up. But even so, housekeeping takes up a lot more time than two hours.

violethill · 02/11/2009 08:19

So if we're saying marriage is about joint effort, and joint responsibility, isn't that precisely why the OP needs to discuss and come to agreement with her DH, rather than expect the MN jury to make the decision for her?

If her DH is happy to turn around and say 'Yes darling, let's spend 120 on a cleaner, I agree it's a good use of income' then what's the problem? If he doesn't, then he's entitled to that view. My guess is that if he's not happy about it, then he feels she has the time and means to do it. If it's causing a problem, it's time to renegotiate - all good partnerships are about continuously communicating, adjusting, negoatiating. And she needs to be prepared for him to say 'Well you go and earn the money for a cleaner if it's such a big deal to you'. Which presumably, the OP would, if she detests housework so much and wants to outsource it.

Simple!

juuule · 02/11/2009 08:20

If you are not taking money away from anything essential and it's going to make life better all round then get a cleaner.

I agree with whoever said to do it for a trial period. See how it works out.

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