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AIBU?

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to not report this child to SS?

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ChickandDuck · 23/10/2009 11:31

I appreciate this is quite an emotive subject, but after a conversation with a friend last night I wanted to see what the general consensus on this kind of thing is...

There is a child that attends the same nursery as my DC. I have noticed this DC a few of times, in nursery and whilst out and about, just because there's a couple of things that don't sit right. Both Mum and DC have been in unwashed clothes each time I've seen them (quite clearly unwashed and caked in dirt and muck), I've seen DC on the way to nursery in just a t-shirt (it?s freezing!). Granted, he's not covered in bruises (although he is always red eyed and looks tired/unhealthy?), but does the fact that he is not clothed adequately and washed constitute as not being cared for properly? She could be a fantastic Mum, but is a bit clueless with clothing/washing? My friend (whose job means she works closely with SS) thinks I should phone and express my concerns. It hadn't occurred to me before; I assumed that the staff at the nursery will as aware as I am...?
Plus, as I explained to my friend, the area that I live in neighbours an area that is full of children like this (whilst walking through the other day there was a child, no more than 2yo, half dressed outside the front of her house on her own. Another example would be a mother shouting and swearing at a child no older than 4yo because she asked for something from Greggs ) and if I contacted SS for this child, I'd be doing it everyday I go out?

I feel as if I would BU for phoning SS, I just feel it?s a bit dramatic?

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ChickandDuck · 23/10/2009 15:06

Ladyevenstars - I sat opposite them on the bus once the smell was horrendous ...god now I feel really judgemental but it's difficult to explain... mum's overweight and also looks really unhealthy. DC was in a pushchair with no shoes on (he must be at least 5) I dunno I just felt really

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claw3 · 23/10/2009 15:07

Chickandduck - i told this story just the other day on another ss thread.

When my eldest son was at primary school, i used to go into school to listen to the kids read on a 1-1 basis. A boy who looks a bit unclean, tells me his family make him sleep on the floor on the balcony, and it is cold out there and makes him sad.

I had visions of this poor little boy, sleeping outside in the cold.

I spoke to the teacher who told me the boys family had recently been made homeless and were staying with relatives. The balcony, turned out to be the upstairs hall way, where he was sleeping on the carpet in a sleeping bag until they were rehoused.

Things are not always as they seem and how bad would i have felt for causing this family even more suffering and getting ss involved.

Twinsmommy · 23/10/2009 15:07

ChickandDuck:

It seems from your responses that you really are waiting for someone to agree with you to report to SS.

If you really want to do something, then I strongly suggest you speak to the nursery staff. After all, you know nothing about this mother and her child, whereas the nursery staff do.

Just because they are not living up to your standards isn't a reason to report to SS.

Perhaps you would be far better trying to befriend this woman so that you might learn a little more of the bigger picture before judging her.

Think about how you would feel if you found out someone had reported to SS about your child? And then you have SS watching your every move when you seem to have done nothing wrong.

ChickandDuck · 23/10/2009 15:11

teamcullen - thank you for that, i don't think she's a 'bad parent' but I do think maybe she could do with a bit of help and education. I would like to talk to the teachers, and offer to help if I could, but I feel like that would make me, I don't know, a bit of a snob?

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ChickandDuck · 23/10/2009 15:17

but aren't SS there to help, I don't understand why they'd be an extra burden?

I'm not waiting for someone to agree (I haven't said that I want to ring them), I want to make sure that I'm not doing the wrong thing by not ringing SS. I just want to explain that I've not just spoted a child that has breakfast down themselves and isn't wearing a designer coat, so that I know I definiately am doing the right thing.

I know I really wouldn't feel like it's my place to say something to the nursery, especially as the DC is not in my Dc's class.

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Twinsmommy · 23/10/2009 15:20

You feel it's not your place to say something to the nursery, but you would feel much better about discussing it with SS?????

Seems like you have already made up your mind.

teamcullen · 23/10/2009 15:24

I know of a child who was in nursery, her mum would sometimes turn up smelling of drink. At first her key worker didnt think anything of it. Until her mum turned up rotten drunk and full of bruises.

As she was in no fit state to care for the child and there was nobody else to pick her up SS had to be informed. As a result, this mum is getting lots of help (she admitted to a drink problem) through SS, FSW and the nursery. Her DD is still with her but she has plenty of people looking out for her to make sure she stays safe.

claw3 · 23/10/2009 15:27

Chickandduck - How do you feel the child will benefit from ss involvement?

You think his clothes will be washed more often? or do you think there is something more sinister going on?

ChickandDuck · 23/10/2009 15:31

I knew I would get that reaction for saying that.

I have made up my mind that I would either make an annoymous phone call to SS or do nothing at all.

I wouldn't feel right talking to the nursery staff because, I would feel patronising?

I haven't had any experience with SS so I may be a little naive, but why are they such and issue? They are there to help surley? I'm not purposely trying to be stupid here by the way!

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Twinsmommy · 23/10/2009 15:35

Sorry ChickandDuck - I hear what you are saying about having not just spotted a child that has breakfast down themselves, but really, is a bit of dirt/grime/smell a good enough reason to report to SS?

I know SS can, and do, do a great job, as teamcullen says, but we also read endless stories of when SS have taken children away from their mothers for what seems like no valid reason.

Please, if you do anything, speak to the nursery. And if you think you would feel out of place saying anything, then write it in a letter, anonymously, and mail it to the nursery. You can always just sign it from a concerned parent.

ChickandDuck · 23/10/2009 15:38

Claw - I presume they would rule out any possibility of anything more sinister going on (if it isn't) and if she is struggling to clothe him then they could help, teamcullen has just given an example of it working?

My friend said that usually if parents can't make sure their DC's are clean and clothed adaquatly then there usually is underlying problems at home(debt, drink/drug problems, domestic violence, depression) in his experience. (He works closely with SS, as I think I've mentioned before)

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ChickandDuck · 23/10/2009 15:41

Twinsmummy - these stories do give a very bad impression of socail services, which probably prevents people from reporting serious concerns, which is a massive shame (I'm not saying that this is a serious concern, thats what I'm trying to establish on here!) That is a fantastic idea about writing anonymously to the nursery, thank you [smil]

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FangedGhoulForTheMonstrosities · 23/10/2009 15:42

YABU, my DD always looks red eyed and tired/unhealthy but that is because she doesnt sleep well and has eczema and allergies.

I would be mortified if anyone thought I neglected her.

Devendra · 23/10/2009 15:45

SS are not a firing squad you know... they are there primarily to HELP. It will do no harm whatsoever to give them or NSPCC a quick call and ask advice. Best do something than nothing in my opinion. If there is nothing sinister going on then it will all be ok and you can have a clear conscience. Just give them a call and let THEM decide what to do with the information.

ChickandDuck · 23/10/2009 15:46

fangedghoul, sorry... I am BU for NOT reporting them? thats what my OP is asking...

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FangedGhoulForTheMonstrosities · 23/10/2009 15:47

you are BU for considering that to be an indicator of neglect, sorry.

And neither is being skinny, my DD at the moment has just been sick and looks like a beanpole. Some kids are just skinny.

Oblomov · 23/10/2009 15:49

This is getting worse. Op I don't think you are doing yourself any favours here.
It now transpires that you think mum looks unhealthy , and is overweight. children have bad teeth.
Take a step back and listen to those concerns as if you were an outsider. Come on, admit it, they sound minor, petty, like you are a snob - the very thing you don't want to be considered as.

FangedGhoulForTheMonstrosities · 23/10/2009 15:50

yes I am getting worried here, I am a bit overweight and my DD looks unhealthy and skinny, she sometimes has some dirt on her clothes, the only thing missing is that she is always warmly dressed.

Oblomov · 23/10/2009 15:51

By the way, my dh is overweight and has bad teeth. he is at the dentist at the mo.
I do the school run without brushing my teeth, occasionally. And sometimes I don't have a shower just pull on my sloppy joes.
Best you report me to ss.
Oh don't worry. Thats already been done !!!

ChickandDuck · 23/10/2009 15:55

Oblomov- as you didn't take the time to properly read my orignal post, or subsquent posts, your opinion doesn't really matter to me...

Fact is I am concerned for the DC's well being (and mum's as it happens) and from being told by someone that works in that area to contact SS I am now confused as to what I should do, and so looking for advice.

I understand that some of my comments may make me sound like a snob, but as I had said before, I am trying to explain why I am concerned, and it is not just a case of 'spilt breakfast'.

Anyway, I thought you hid this thread?

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Twinsmommy · 23/10/2009 15:55

Thanks ChickandDuck

I imagine SS' reputation does prevent people from reporting serious concerns, which I agree is just awful. I just don't think the things you have listed here are quite serious enough to warrant their intervention yet?

At least if you were to advise the nursery anonymously, you would be able to alert them to this child if they were not already aware. [I suspect though, from the descriptions you have given, they probably already know.]

It might be that your letter could be the catalyst that makes the nursery approach SS themselves. Especially if, as you say, you have noticed this scenario for a period of time already.

You could say that you had thought hard about informing SS, but decided at this time, that this approach was best.

Oblomov · 23/10/2009 15:57

I took ds2 to collect ds1 from school yesterday, with no coat on. It was sunny and lovely. suddenly it was cold, and I had to take ds1's coat and wrap it round ds2.
Neglect, neglect, I tell you.

Did I tell you about the time that ds2 fell out of the pram becasue I didn't strap him in properly, becasue I was too busy telling ds1 off for his awful behaviour ?

Anything else, awful, that I've done in my time ???
I'll come back to you. Bet you'll have me hung, strung and quartered within the hour Op

ChickandDuck · 23/10/2009 15:57

now your just being ridiculous.

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claw3 · 23/10/2009 15:58

Chickandduck - Reporting anyone to ss could have very serious consequences for the family.

The example i gave earlier about the boy who was homeless. Perhaps ss might have thought he would be better off in care until his family were rehoused and taken all of the children into care.

An anonymous phone call, is confidential not anonymous i believe, you still have to give your details etc.

Oblomov · 23/10/2009 15:58

oh dear, hit a raw nerve.
My opinion doesn't count.
Right.
I did read all your posts very carefully.
And gave them respect.
Shame you couldn't do the same to me.