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to think that people claiming that BNP voters aren't racists are being disingenuous?

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MrJustAbout · 23/10/2009 00:04

I don't get the argument "that these people aren't racist, but they vote just BNP".

For me, If you vote BNP, you are a racist. I know this is guilt by association but I think it's fair. What's more, making excuses for those who choose to support these hatemongers makes it more acceptable for them to do so.

I know I wouldn't vote for a party when I didn't know their policies and if I did, I'd feel pretty ashamed that I voted without bothering to find out. To be honest, anyone who votes for the BNP and claims that didn't realise they'd just cosied up to facists needs to give up voting for good.

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duelingFANGo · 25/10/2009 21:16

why are you taking that to mean white British people?

electra · 25/10/2009 21:18

daftpunk is now grasping at straws in order to gain some sort of high ground while missing the point entirely

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daftpunk · 25/10/2009 21:19

why...?

because before mass immigation this country was mainly white...

all i want is a simple explanation from moffat and this will be cleared up for me...

Tortington · 25/10/2009 21:20

frustrating isn't it dp

Tortington · 25/10/2009 21:20

why was there mass immigration dp?

bodycolder · 25/10/2009 21:20

I give up I have tried to be explanatory rather than inflammatory and still nothing

VulpusinaWilfsuit · 25/10/2009 21:21

Oh sorry

Tortington · 25/10/2009 21:21

and is white the colour of choice? do eastern european workers not bother you?

electra · 25/10/2009 21:23

VW, I have found these threads exhausting and will have to learn not to click them now, not least because I have 3 children to look after and this could go on forever.

duelingFANGo · 25/10/2009 21:25

well maybe, DP, you can answer my question about providing a source for your belief that 1 out of 5 people have said they would consider voting BNP then...?

Tortington · 25/10/2009 21:25

quick google 2001 census says 85.7% of british population classified themselves as white british.

daftpunk · 25/10/2009 21:28

i've had 4 days of being told i'm thick, racist, a fucking disgrace, mental, should really go and see my priest to get exorcised.....i have taken it all pretty well i think...

all i'm asking for in return is for moffat to explain her post...?

i've been asked to explain life, the universe, and fuck knows what else..

VulpusinaWilfsuit · 25/10/2009 21:28

There are roughly 8% self-labelled ethnic minorities in the UK. Most racists think, erroneously, that there are many more.

Tortington · 25/10/2009 21:28

fango - i bet its a newspaper

Tortington · 25/10/2009 21:29

and DP - you haven't explained anything

duelingFANGo · 25/10/2009 21:30

Naaahhhhhhhhhhh I bet it's the manipulated yougov poll

MillyR · 25/10/2009 21:33

I still feel like I am completely missing the point. I think people are trying to say that some people can't cope with the pace of change because they have become a minority in the area they live in, and before immigration they were not in the minority.

This can only be the case in a few areas. In Bradford ethnic minorities are only 18% of the population and in Burnley 11%. Is it an issue that in a few areas people have become segregated and that there might be a case for encouraging areas where immigration is low to take more immigrants?

Dolly mentioned Dewsbury, and I can see that he area has unemployment, regeneration and education issues. It might make it easier for British people of all ethnicities in that area if new immigration was focussed on another, more affluent and stable town. It might be easier for new immigrants if they were moved into towns that didn't have pre-existing social problems.

Are there possible solutions to these issues that don't involve simply claiming there are too many immigrants?

VulpusinaWilfsuit · 25/10/2009 21:35

And the vast majority of these ethnic minorities are born here. Those who were not born in the UK were migrants in the main waves of migration, invited in at times of labour shortage in the late 40s and early 50s (from the West Indies, and some political refugees from India and Pakistan); a later wave in the 1970s of economic migrants from India, Pakistan, and political refugees from Bangladesh. The vast majority of migration in recent years is almost entirely white, from new accession states in the EU, enabled by open borders.

The percentage of non-white migrants is minimal, many of these political refugees, overqualified for the jobs they end up doing.

Regardless of whether or not the paranoia is acceptable (it is not), it is based on utter, utter fantasy.

VulpusinaWilfsuit · 25/10/2009 21:37

aaaaargh.

daftpunk · 25/10/2009 21:47

ok moffat...looks like you're not going to expalain it,

i'll explain something to you then

...the people you described in your post could be any race, religion or colour...living in this country or anywhere in the world...

just remember that

MillyR · 25/10/2009 21:48

VW, I am not sure if you are responding to my comment or someone else's. I don't think skin pigmentation is related to pressure on a town. Towns exist that have a variety of social problems. In some of these towns there are a range of different British ethnic groups, and some towns with social problems will not be particularly diverse.

I am saying that it might be more sensible to settle new migrants in towns that don't have as many social problems. The skin pigmentation of those migrants is irrelevant to the question.

VulpusinaWilfsuit · 25/10/2009 21:56

No not you milly. Was responding to DP's comment about 'before mass immigration this country was mostly white'. Implying that it isn't after...

bodycolder · 25/10/2009 22:16

They could be any colour living anywhere but this thread is about this country and the BNP so the people are likely to be majority white not least because until very recently no one else could join!(although I doubt they'll be queueing up!) It is not racist to say that as it is a known fact which Mr griffin himself has spoken about this week

BobbingForPeachys · 25/10/2009 22:19

MillyR that would help butthe ciunty I come from has neither a Mosque or a synangogue, there are no real support systems for those who find themselves in another cultureso investment would be needed

We have a diverse pop here though because there are 2 Mosques and a Synagogue, Gurwara, Templeall in easy distance.

I had never met a Jewish person until we moved here, becausewhy woulda Jewish person wish to live so far from their community? Thinking back I'm not sure I knew any Muslims either- a Hindu lady, plenty of Plymouth Brethren and am pretty sure that was about it.

It'snto as much of a monoculture as it was, dad is the only non Polish worker where he is (not a job easily filled and dad doesn'tcare less- carries a Polish dictionary and is picking up a fair bit of Polish), but its still white Christian etc.

scarletlilybug · 25/10/2009 22:24

"The vast majority of migration in recent years is almost entirely white, from new accession states in the EU, enabled by open borders."

Not true.

Figures for 2007 (the latest available) show net immigration into UK of 237 000, if whom 91 000 came from the EU. 91 000 came from Indai, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanks, the Caribrean and the Middle Est.
Source: Government Statistical Service.

There seems little point in overturning one myth (Winterval), only to allow its place to be taken by others.