to think that however repulsive and bullying a 12 year old is...

[seeker]

.....people shouldn't use language like "little shit" and 'wankstain" to describe what is, however hideously behaved, a child?

I am 43 Rant, and if I used some of the words on here in front of my mother, she would wash my mouth out with soap, just as she did when I was younger. As to an underline, why not use the underline tool, or the bold, or the dictionary to find alternatives?

My dh would not talk to me if I used that kind if language and my inlaws much the same.

Some of the language used on here recently reminds me of children in the playground trying to see who can say the rudest word the loudest.

poopypants!

Scary, it just sounds a bit like language snobbery, that you're a better person because you'd describe the 12 year old as 'a psychologically damaged child who expresses the hurt they feel in themselves by transferring it, in physical actions, onto other children' rather than a little shit.

It's pretty hard for some parents to equate the behaviour that some 12 year olds exhibit, with the label of 'childish behaviour' when they would be illegal/totally unacceptable in an adult. Perhaps it doesn't mean I think the child is a little shit, just their behaviour?

I can cope with little shit Rant it's to the point and pretty accurate; it's some of the other language on here that I really find objectionable - the other turn of phrase WS on this thread being one, and some of the more extreme posters names.

However, little shit describes the child; shitty would describe the behaviour.

Agree with everything you have said Scaryteacher

How is this thread different to the other swear/don't swear thread?

I agree. Really horrible to call children names like that. Wouldn't do it in RL and I don't see why it is necessary to do online either. Which is not to say that I don't swear like a sailor - I do - but it is different to call a child something like that.

Because this is specifically about language used to describe children.

Bullies are despicable human beings however old they are, and IMO there can be no excuse valid enough to justify their behaviour whether they be 5 years old or 12 years old. The misery they inflict on other innocent children who are just trying to go about their own business makes me puke.

As for user names with swear words in them, I just find them a bit juvenile tbh.

Wow, Bucharest! You really really don't think that a 5 year old could be bullying another because of what's happening in their lives? No excuse or explanation - just a despicable 5 year old human being?

Where do you draw the line though? They're 5, they're 6, they're 7 and so on and so forth.....they're going through a shitty divorce (or worse) and my child has to pay the price?

How does that work then?

But they aren't despicable human beings. They are behaving despicably and must be stopped, but they are not despicable, or little shits or wank stains - they are children.

Sorry but I pretty much agree with Bucharest on this one, I think it takes a certain kind of person to be a bully. I think that life circumstances can contribute and that is obvious with those particular kids but there do seem to be some kids that are just always at the forefront and seem to really love doing it.

I have a ds with ASD who last term hated, hated, hated going to school, I put it down to his ASD and worked closely with the school to try to help ds to adjust. This year the bully has left and I have not been called into school one time so far this term. The bully has gone and ds's dad takes him to school every morning rather then only twice a week as happened last term. Those are the only two things that have changed and my ds is thriving at school now.

However do agree that children should never be called disgusting names.

They are children and are still children at 12 and 15 and so on. They need help not verbal abuse.

Horrible story and bullying is not ok but you would not have called that child that name surely ?

I haven't read the thread that started this, but my mother used the term "little shits" frequently, whether to us or just the neighbourhood kids, I can't be clear on. However, decades later it is still with me, it pops into my head unbidden, I'd hope for a swift slap if those words should ever pass my lips. Truly vile.

I think most people will agree that bullying is despicable, horrible and should be dealt with promptly and firmly by schools (even children come from difficult background have to learn that it is unacceptable to behave that way - particularly if no one is teaching that at home).

However, I do agree with scary, seeker and all that calling children names like WS is wrong and will not help anyone's cause. I could understand that sometimes the OP needs to vent because they are at the end of their tether, but I am not sure that threads that become "Swearfests" do anything to help those posters.

Trying to validate people's bad behaviour, saying 'they're only children' or whatever, is not an approach that works. Feral children cause misery, and what they need is discipline, not understanding.

"Feral children cause misery, and what they need is discipline, not understanding.
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How about a bit of both someguy?

Objectively I agree with you seeker, but if it were my baby being bullied? Then I might not be quite so understanding about the bully's issues.

I would probably be pressed not to pull a Rebecca DeMornay in "The Hand that Rocks the Cradle".

how is calling someone a w**stain discipline anyway

' it just sounds a bit like language snobbery, that you're a better person because you'd describe the 12 year old as 'a psychologically damaged child who expresses the hurt they feel in themselves by transferring it, in physical actions, onto other children' rather than a little shit.'

In one instance you are describing the cause and effect of a child's behaviour and in the other instance equating the child himself with faeces ie completely worthless and disgusting
which makes the adult no better than the child.Indeed arguably worse.

katie, I don't think anybody's advocating calling the bully a little shit to their face, if a 12 YO, who should know better, was doing anything to my DD, I might say it on here/to my DH to vent my feelings. I can't see how saying what I thought of the child and their behaviour in an easy to understand way make me a bully.

The fact that I understand the psychological causes that contribute to children behaving in antisocial ways, doesn't detract from the fact that I can also believe that some 12 YOs can be little shits.