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to ask people why they don't want to be my friend?

105 replies

Iammummynomates · 04/07/2009 07:38

I know this has been done to death on here, but I have no friends. There are people I talk to at the school gates from time to time, everyone knows who I am, but they all have their own circles of friends and I am just not a part of that and don't seem to be able to become a part of that.

And thing is, I don't know why. I have never fallen out with anyone, people do talk to me, they just won't cross the boundary between chatting at the school gates and moving on to more meaningful friendship, i.e. coffee, or coming round in any way shape or form. I have been there for some of them on occasion, they've chatted to me about their personal lives, some have confided about their marriages, but as soon as I extend myself and try to say, invite them round, they back off completely and will sometimes avoid me altogether. And it's not because they have such busy social lives, they are constantly round each other's houses for impromptu bbq's/drinks etc, in fact I've been standing amongst them as they plan their evenings out together, to which I am not invited.

So given they clearly don't consider me too be a friend, I've thought about asking them what is so terrible about me that it puts them off, so I would at least know, and can then change so I don't put people off in future.

IBU? Or would that seem ve childish?

I just don't know what to do really. I don't think I'm a bad person, but I've always struggled so much to make friends that there has to come a point when you admit that it can't just be that all the people I meet are horrible, that there must be something about me that puts people off. I just don't know what it is, and no-one has ever told me.

OP posts:
Overmydeadbody · 04/07/2009 17:12

You cannot ask them.

Apart form anything else, you will not get an honest reply.

If someone who I had talked to a few times but didn't gel with and didn't want to be friends with asked me outright why I didn't want to be friends with them, I would not tell them the truth. I would make up some answer that wouldn't upset them.

So there is no point asking them.

jellyrolly · 04/07/2009 17:23

BoffinMum, "your ds's are very bright and needed a lot of stimulation", was the (polite) answer. They're close together and a lot of the other mums had only one at home or had girls so I think these two loud boys upset the quiet coffee mornings and picnics! To be fair, mine are the kind who get out of catflaps.

Another group of friends found me competitive which I heard second hand, that would explain the lack of invites too . I was mortified to hear this and justified it by reasoning that both my ds's were very early talkers/walkers and I used to repeat things they said as I found it funny or because I was so proud. Needless to say I don't go on about my kids to people as much now and am much more popular . Another factor was that a lot of these other people had family nearby and I don't (my mum died and my father lives abroad) so I think they got emotional and social support that I lacked and maybe I was more needy, not just for adult company but also for people to share my (normal) parental pride.

Phew, wish you'd never asked? Anyway, back to the OP...

jellyrolly · 04/07/2009 17:28

By the way mummy, after the comments about my ds's, I made the brave attempt to befriend other mums who had similar age/sex dcs and now luckily have a really nice new friend who is keen to do the same sort of things as me as our kids have the same sort of needs. Not sure if that helps at all, I was lucky there. x

BoffinMum · 04/07/2009 17:40

Oh, I have had this type of comment about my DSs!! We were in fact banned from the walking bus for similar purported reasons. I had forgotten about that. Only the woman who got us banned wouldn't tell me herself but made the HT ring me up, and I think the real reason was because they knew we had an AP and reckoned "Why are we walking this woman's kids to school when she has someone to do it?" To be fair the AP had volunteered to help with the walking bus so our household was taking a turn, but they refused to let her because she wasn't a UK citizen (she was Swiss and as we know the Swiss are well dodgy ). So at the root it was cliques again.

Madmentalbint · 04/07/2009 18:05

"To be fair, mine are the kind who get out of catflaps."

Well they'd fit in well at my house then

That reminds me of when I was asked not to bring my DD(4 at the time) to ballet anymore 'as she was disruptive.'I think it was the wellies DD insisted on wearing that offended the ballet teacher

Ripeberry · 04/07/2009 18:12

I concur with everyone else. School gates are not the place to make friends. Try volunteering in your local community, even if it's helping out at the local pre-school or even join a class.
Your true friend is out there for you and when the time is right you will find each other
I say that because when my DD1 was a baby i tried about 6 different mother and baby groups but they all made me feel left out and were quite unfriendly even after i had made an effort to even help with the teas!
Then i was about to give it all up (baby groups), and i decided to try one other place (Church based group) and i arrived at the same time as another lady who had a baby girl the same age as DD1.
We never looked back after that time! Been my best friend ever, even though she has been living in France for the last 4yrs, she is finally coming back to the UK and will live just down the road from me.
The circle is closed

BoffinMum · 04/07/2009 18:31

The woman who banned my DSs from the walking bus brought her kids around here for a birthday party and brunch and her DS SPAT IN THE FOOD and PUT SWEETIE WRAPPERS IN THE PARTY BAGS.

Need I say more. Her kids are a lot more 'orrible than mine!!

BoffinMum · 04/07/2009 18:34

Also some people have stopped speaking to me because I am not sending DS to the same comprehensive school that all the other kids are going to ... I mean, really there's no point in worrying about this stuff.

However I noted with some satisfaction that the main protagonist has put on a lot of weight on her bottom recently. I cherish that knowledge in a childish but strangely satisfying way.

LynetteScavo · 04/07/2009 19:31

Similar here - I'm alot less popular now people know I'm sending my DC's to a new school in September; now they know DD won't be in the same reception class as little Johnny, there seems no point in talking to me.

jellyrolly · 04/07/2009 19:32

You see Iammummynomates, you just have to dig around a little and you'll find your true likeminded pals. Madmentalbint, we're on our way round to test the catflaps .

BoffinMum · 04/07/2009 20:47

A couple of Pimms and I would definitely be capable of some catflap abuse.

potatofactory · 04/07/2009 23:33

I feel down about my friendlessness a lot. I had one main friend in my twenties, and just didn't seem to make any more, then lived abroad, and I'm an acquired taste, I think, though I really can't help it!

I've just got in from a (work) party (colleague's 50th) and feel rubbish, as a few conversations / things underlined for me that I am peripheral, and just not that popular

Oh, the first point was that the main friendship I mentioned above has collapsed (though we haven't quite owned up to this) as we have become really different. So now I feel really isolated, in terms of real friends - someone I feel confident would be pleased to see me / would want to come out for a drink, etc, or whatever.

I wish I had made more effort at school / university to have a wider circle and to remain friends with people.

Anyway, making new friends is bloody hard - good luck! (wish me luck, too)

BoffinMum · 05/07/2009 08:35

Potatofactory, have you thought of doing something like the Springboard self-development as a means of reviewing your life and meeting some like minded people? I did it through work and overall it was quite helpful and I met people I wouldn't normally have done, some of whom I kept in touch with afterwards.

Springboard website

QuintessentialShadow · 05/07/2009 08:53

Ask yourself. WHY is it so important to be friends with this particular group of people?

It seems you have made a lot of effort, which may scare people off a bit. I always feel a bit suspicious if somebody seem too keen to talk to me, make coffee dates, etc.

I think sometimes groups are left best alone. In most circumstances they have known eeachother a while, and might not be that keen to invite a newbie into the fold. Particularly not somebody they only know from the school gate. Just because you have children, you may have nothing else in common.

I agree with the poster who says to look out for other individuals who might be lonely. Look outside this group.

Personally, I never looked at any of the school gate mums as potential friends. Idle chit chat, not more. But friendships will sometimes happen when you least expect it.

Can you try finding out who your child most like to play with, and arrange a few playdates? That is how my friendships with school gate mums got established. Through realizing that our kids played well together, and inviting in for a quick cuppa when picking up child. Arranging mutual outings over half term. Close to half term, you can say: "Tina/Mrs Jones, my son and your son play so well together, let me have him over a day on half term, he can play with Sammie, we can go to the park and the museum". Or something.

I just find that the best way to get beyond just school gate chatter is to offer something, which is NOT friendship, to start with. Friendships need to develop naturally. But by you taking in an interst, in your child, in their child, how they play together and offer to facilitate after school playing. BUT NOT turn your self in to free childminder or something.

Ok, I have rambled. sorry

potatofactory · 05/07/2009 09:17

That's really kind of you thanks BoffinMum - will check it out

brimfull · 05/07/2009 09:23

Have just skimmed thread so apologies if I am repeating anyone.

I know someone who is a nice enough person but there is something that puts me off making an effort to be a closer friend to her.I think it may be her constant asking me round for coffee,dinner,please pop in sometime comments that make me feel pressured.
I almost want to avoid her now because I am embarrassed due to me not following up the invites.

When I have had coffee with her ages ago she did do a lot of moaning about making friends etc and the unrlying impression I got was that she wanted me to be her new best buddy.

It is definitely the constant needy pressure that makes me avoid her and it wasn't until I read this thread that I have realised that.

TiggyR · 05/07/2009 09:36

I know someone who is always present at mums and tots, PTA etc, but never present at anything she needs to actually be invited to. She's actually quite hard work, rather pessimistic, always looks stressed or flustered. She clearly wants to fit in but somehow her personality just alientates people and then she'll try too hard, which is creepy. Rule number one, don't try too hard! Definitely don't ask - that would be seriously off-putting. You can bet that the whole town will know that you put someone on the spot and embarrassed them, and then no-one will come near you at all!

Thinking about people I have known who may be in the same boat as you, I would say the following:

Don't be whiny, needy, always fed-up, or pessimistic

Don't be clingy, demanding, pushy. It freaks people out.

You say you are outwardly confident. Are you too confident? Do you hog the conversation, or brag, or lecture people?

Find new people. The old lot are clearly just not interested. Smile, and be positive. Start small. A friendly hello for a few mornings, then a brief chat, then a longer one. Move in by stealth. It might take months but don't blow it by telling someone your life story on day one and inviting them for supper on day 3. It's not normal.

Are you unusual in anyway? I'm being serious now. Eccentric? BO? Bad breath? Peculiar dress? Bizarre politics or religion? 40" bust and no bra? You don't need to be beautiful/conventional to make friends but it helps if you are at least a bit 'normal'.

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ask people about themselves (not too nosey or personal)before you start telling them everything about you. People love to think that people are interested in them.

Try seeking out other people like yourself who always appear to be excluded. Don't just home in on anyone just because they are on their own, but really take time to analyse it. Are those people frequently on the outside of groups even though they know everyone? Ask on here if anyone is local(ish) and feels they can identify with what you say. Try to get three or four people together for coffee and see what happens. Even start a sub-group on here for people who can't make friends and maybe you could meet up. You are very brave to say what you've said, and I know there are loads of people who feel like you. Starting again with new people who all want to be liked for what they are would be a relief to lots of women.

Finally, do you contribute on here, or other boards a great deal? Do you find that your posts are well received, and you are able to communicate and gel without any problems? Do you form any bonds with other posters, shared sense of humour, etc? If not, then it is something that you are saying/attitudes and opinions that are off-putting, or maybe you are perfectly inoffensive but boring. (sorry - hard to be honest without sounding mean, no harm intended) If yes, however, then it is obviously something in your body language or appearance that is alienating others. If you APPEAR needy or weird, unapproachable, no eye contact, or invade people's body space etc, always glum, irritable or nervous you can get help from a life coach/therapist/hypnosis with all those things. Very Good luck!

TiggyR · 05/07/2009 09:36

I know someone who is always present at mums and tots, PTA etc, but never present at anything she needs to actually be invited to. She's actually quite hard work, rather pessimistic, always looks stressed or flustered. She clearly wants to fit in but somehow her personality just alientates people and then she'll try too hard, which is creepy. Rule number one, don't try too hard! Definitely don't ask - that would be seriously off-putting. You can bet that the whole town will know that you put someone on the spot and embarrassed them, and then no-one will come near you at all!

Thinking about people I have known who may be in the same boat as you, I would say the following:

Don't be whiny, needy, always fed-up, or pessimistic

Don't be clingy, demanding, pushy. It freaks people out.

You say you are outwardly confident. Are you too confident? Do you hog the conversation, or brag, or lecture people?

Find new people. The old lot are clearly just not interested. Smile, and be positive. Start small. A friendly hello for a few mornings, then a brief chat, then a longer one. Move in by stealth. It might take months but don't blow it by telling someone your life story on day one and inviting them for supper on day 3. It's not normal.

Are you unusual in anyway? I'm being serious now. Eccentric? BO? Bad breath? Peculiar dress? Bizarre politics or religion? 40" bust and no bra? You don't need to be beautiful/conventional to make friends but it helps if you are at least a bit 'normal'.

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ask people about themselves (not too nosey or personal)before you start telling them everything about you. People love to think that people are interested in them.

Try seeking out other people like yourself who always appear to be excluded. Don't just home in on anyone just because they are on their own, but really take time to analyse it. Are those people frequently on the outside of groups even though they know everyone? Ask on here if anyone is local(ish) and feels they can identify with what you say. Try to get three or four people together for coffee and see what happens. Even start a sub-group on here for people who can't make friends and maybe you could meet up. You are very brave to say what you've said, and I know there are loads of people who feel like you. Starting again with new people who all want to be liked for what they are would be a relief to lots of women.

Finally, do you contribute on here, or other boards a great deal? Do you find that your posts are well received, and you are able to communicate and gel without any problems? Do you form any bonds with other posters, shared sense of humour, etc? If not, then it is something that you are saying/attitudes and opinions that are off-putting, or maybe you are perfectly inoffensive but boring. (sorry - hard to be honest without sounding mean, no harm intended) If yes, however, then it is obviously something in your body language or appearance that is alienating others. If you APPEAR needy or weird, unapproachable, no eye contact, or invade people's body space etc, always glum, irritable or nervous you can get help from a life coach/therapist/hypnosis with all those things. Very Good luck!

TiggyR · 05/07/2009 09:41

Sorry - clicked twice!

potatofactory · 05/07/2009 14:08

Jeepers, TiggyR! That's a lot to get right! All honest advice, and useful. Bit worried now that I'm one of those people...

Life's pretty brutal!

minouminou · 05/07/2009 14:36

You've also got to be quite mercenary, tbh. I know if someone's going to become a real friend if we suddenly find ourselves talking about things other than the children...without overtly changing the subject IYSWIM.
If this doesn't happen after a few meetings, I tend to pull back.
It's a numbers game...but these women are a non-starter, I'm afraid, OP.

posiedullardparker · 05/07/2009 14:41

Are you clean? Well presented? Nice teeth?

Do you smile? Do eye contact? etc

metmoo · 05/07/2009 14:58

im just the same i have acquaintences people i work or have worked with but never get asked to theirs or on nights out. it does absolutely nothing for your confidence, i was beginning to think i was the only one, i'm crap at making and keeping conversation unless i feel at ease then i talk for england othertimes i clam up or just talk a load of garble. people must think im nuts which lowers my confidence more id love some friends honestly good luck to you all xx

metmoo · 05/07/2009 15:07

ps im overweight and my teeth are horrible cant afford dentist and virtually no nhs ones where we live confidence drops a further 90% have also been told many a time i am ugly or strange help

Ripeberry · 05/07/2009 15:09

There is NO such thing as a perfect person.
Everyone, even the ones who seem to have everything and are clever, are all hiding something

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