to want to know all about "CVQ" and "Lola"?

[starkadder]

....all the stuff about trolls IS getting a bit boring, I can see that.

I saw one thread MaggieBee had posted on where she was taken in by a troll, and I felt very bad for her for that reason (I would have been taken in too) and also bad for her that some people seemed to be blaming her for having believed the troll. So I can see why trolls are nasty and people don't like them.

Also, I do think that some of the more enthusiastic "troll hunting" and ing is pretty off-putting.

I feel like I should be grown up enough to not be at all interested in any of the gory details...

...BUT I suppose I also think of MN as a place where it is OK, sometimes, to not be all that grown up...

..and so, I have to admit, I DO want to know - what did these people do??? What did CVQ and Lola do??????

[StealthPolarBear]

psycho, do you mean on this thread people have been talking about you?
Sorry you are dealing with this at such a stressful time. I'll be thinking about you today.

[BitOfFun]

Umiellala, fair point! I think that is the kind of thing that might have applied to Lola. Feeding her voyeurism couldn't have been healthy though, it's so hard to know how to help, isn't it?

Psycho, I hope you feel a bit stronger today - do email me for a chat if you still have my address x

[MaggieBee]

Umlellala, I think Dittany picked up on what you said in another thread. Their stories may be crap, on a purely factual basis, but there's another true story in there, the one that made them invent the fake one.

[MaggieBee]

Umlellala, sorry to pick over this, but did childline figure it out?

[starkadder]

Oh gosh - psycho - I hope you don't think I was having a go at you on the original post on this thread?? Really wasn't. I just wanted to know the gory details about previous trollery and was a bit ashamed of myself for being so curious. Clearly, my curiosity has raked up some bad feeling and I am sorry for it.

I hope things calm down soon.

[QuintessentialShadow]

I am with Reality on this.

Having been around a while, I have seen a fair few trolls.

The "pity me for my life is hard" story lines that eventually leads to people parting with cash (TWR) and baby equipment (bjjb), even furniture.

The "pity me I need support" trolls who feed on others emotions, who especially catch the attention of people (like psycho, I mention you seeing as you are on this thread) who has had some pretty bad experiences themselves, who suck in people who have been/are vulnerable and prey on them for stories and outpourings.

The "Racism/Benefits/Current News Headlines" troll who get peoples blood to boil with their outlandish views.

The "look at me I am a an outrigh weirdo" trolls, who cause a few raised eyebrows but dont do much harm.

I think anybody who is fed up with people doing a or "retreat to under your bridge" commment, are a bit naive. They havent been around long enough to see the emotional damage, direct or indirect (FAQ for example, sorry, again mention you as you are on the thread), and people being hurt as they have parted with cash/stuff, will know, like SGB that you SHOULD exercise caution. Also, people have been around here some time, if they do shout "troll" they might be right, and do so, not to be smug, or "holyer than thou" but because they care for this community and the people in it.

So bollocks to you if you cannot stand a few "troll calls" or raised eyebrows.

[QuintessentialShadow]

No Starkadder, this is a useful thread, it should be kept at the top of "Site Stuff" as a reference and a reminder as to WHY Mumsnetter do not like trolling. And WHY people here try to out trolls.

[Umlellala]

No, they just listened to me, and then I hung up.

Still remember though and think i might have told my parents soon after, so it was prob a catalyst for change iykwim.

Agree the trolls who post about contentious issues v irritating. Less irritating than the PR 'Oooh, I've found a great TV programme, what do you all think' then listing a million details ones, though.

[AitchTwoOh]

psycho what are you referring to? who's talking about you? on this thread or somewhere else? cos if it's this thread then i reckon you're bang out of order on that long post, tbh.

cvq was a classic troll from teh get-go, most people saw it i think, including the people who warned you. i'm sorry that you didn't, or wouldn't see it, but that doesn't make me smug. i would have been petrified to say anything on one of her threads, i would have been torn apart (and flake that she was cvq would have staged a coup with an online suicide attempt no doubt.)

i and others on here bear no more responsibility for not saying anything than you do for saying too much tbh. you (and the many others who supported her) were getting something out of it, as i saw it, and so was she, even if she was a crazy. you say yourself you wanted to heal by helping her.

tough lesson, not to give more than you can afford to lose, and that's why trolls are fuckers, but don't lash out at other strangers on the internet for not protecting you when you admit that you ignored your very good friend's warnings. you were not to be told by anyone if you didn't listen to her.

[DidEinsteinsMum]

AitchTwoOh - there was another thread last night that was getting very catty. COuld post a link to it but but don't feel it justifies the effort. It felt like a personal vendetta against individuals rather then a genuine thread. Understand why psycho is upset and cross with the thread tbh.

[AitchTwoOh]

oh righto, that would make more sense. although really not on to drag things across the board imo.

[DidEinsteinsMum]

Same message was posted here and on the other thread. The was a lot of catyness about last night. This thread was gentler and got a response, the other thread gave it attitude. I think she had just had enough of it all. Understandably if you can be bothered to find it. And posted on both to make her point clear to everyone.

[Dumbledoresgirl]

I can't believe no-one has mentioned the biggest troll of all in the history of Mumsnet: WigandRobe/JudgeFlounce. She (he) surely had the biggest impact on the community as a whole? Still missed by me, I have to admit.

Oh and for outright laughs and stirring, how about Lavenderr? Also missed. The night she started a thread about pheasant shooting is one of the best stay-at-home evenings of my life

BTW MrsMuddle, you are not the only ordinary person on here. I am too. I sometimes think my enjoyment of trollery such as the above is an indication of the utter boringness of my ordinary life.

[DidEinsteinsMum]

Dumbledore - JudgeFlounce was mentioned I think on a different thread. I have seen reference to her recently and I am fairly new so it would't have beendue to her posting.

[Dumbledoresgirl]

Oh ok. Only read this thread.

Anyway, it seems to have gone a bit tits up here. I always post too late to join in with the fun things and after the arguments have started.

[Knickers0nMaHead]

I got bloody flamed for outing babyjj. A couple of us were exchanging emails and i had a few pages of her crap that i had c+p and sitting through it one night, it just didnt make sence. She has since been back on mn as bump09 but got reported and banned.

[DidEinsteinsMum]

Most of the big ones seem to kick off mid eve at the mo. I try to stay out of it. But felt this time it had really gone too far and needed to put a more reasoned voice

[pingping]

BabyJJ was some next level fuckeries alot of people had given her things and she was selling items on Ebay.... It was rather emotional especially when she got some Christmas packages and others who needed these items missed out.

As for the troll hunters I am glad they do what they do there have been some bloody awful troll posts in which people have got emotionally involved in.

Knickersonmyhead I remember that thread when people were sticking up for BabyJJ but good on you for outing her.

[TotalChaos]

psycho - I think part of the problem is that a lot of stuff goes on offsite or very discreetly on site so not everyone is aware - e.g. all the msning/phone calls and drama with CVQ, all the gifts sent to jjbaby or whatever teddy bear woman was called. I wasn't aware until this thread that anything other than the Xmas collection was provided for teddy bear woman.

[LovingtheSilverFox]

Just to put a different turn on these things, I think its indicative of the wonderful support of MN that people get so worked up by those that troll offensively. If MNetters didn't care so much and want to offer the support, things wouldn't get quite so fraught when people start fist waving.

[mummywilldrive]

By Lizzylou Wed 17-Jun-09 21:24:53 Add a message | Report post | Contact poster

"CVQ pretended that she was raped and had a child as a result of this, had a lot of help from MNers and seemingly endless threads about panic attack etc, a lot happened offboard and she hurt an awful lot of lovely caring people"

that is absolutely disgusting. That someone can make up something like that for a bit of entertainment. It makes you wonder how stable they are.

[Lizzylou]

I know Mummy, it is really awful.
Not least because the MNers who tried to help her shared a lot of their traumatic experiences which CVQ used to suck them in further and even pretended they'd happened to her.
She obviously needs help.
This sort of thing is why there is such a disbelieving air about MN at the moment, which is understandable I think.

[AitchTwoOh]

i don't think they're stable At All, i think that broadly speaking they are off their heads and needing attention to soothe some hurt, even if it's not the specific one they're posting about. but... they're taking advantage of people.

[wotzy]

The sad thing is when a troll thread (like CVQ) used to pop up late at night when the boards were quiet, it was hard not to notice them as all the other threads/post become less frequent. Troll threads tend to hang around in a needy way. I sometimes felt if left unanswered, that genuine posters would not post at all, possibly thinking what an uncaring bunch, MNers are. It is best to not get sucked in if you feel unsure.

[SolidGoldBrass]

I must admit I remain unsure as to whether CVQ is/was a very damaged and desperately needy individual going through some sort of genuine trauma (though not the stuff he/she/it was actually claiming) or a malevolent psychotic of the sort that normally only pop up in bad thrillers.
Babyjj I think was just not all there: either genuinely very young and messed up, or someone with moderate (at least) learning difficulties.