to want to know all about "CVQ" and "Lola"?

[starkadder]

....all the stuff about trolls IS getting a bit boring, I can see that.

I saw one thread MaggieBee had posted on where she was taken in by a troll, and I felt very bad for her for that reason (I would have been taken in too) and also bad for her that some people seemed to be blaming her for having believed the troll. So I can see why trolls are nasty and people don't like them.

Also, I do think that some of the more enthusiastic "troll hunting" and ing is pretty off-putting.

I feel like I should be grown up enough to not be at all interested in any of the gory details...

...BUT I suppose I also think of MN as a place where it is OK, sometimes, to not be all that grown up...

..and so, I have to admit, I DO want to know - what did these people do??? What did CVQ and Lola do??????

[AitchTwoOh]

i must admit i did laugh a bit when that woman was revealed as having a big teddy instead of a son. i mean not so good that she joined in on the christmas appeal etc etc but she was obviously delicate of brain and tbh when she was outed i thougth the pram huns were really decent to her. imagine that, though, a big teddy. funny old world.

[BitOfFun]

Funny old world indeed...and how lovely are our pram huns?! < warm fuzzies >

[FAQinglovely]

yea it does work like that. I mean looking back at my posts from a year or so ago (most are now gone as I deliberately posted mostly in chat so they wouldn't hang around to haunt me for life) some of my stories must have sounded pretty far fetched at times.

Had I been posting around the time a troll had actually been outed I could well have been ignored - put down as another troll. And I'm sure it HAS actually happened to others.

[QuintessentialShadow]

Then you had babyjjbaby, pretending to be a young teenage mum (the one with teddy bear not baby), and many mumsnetters sendt her stuff for her baby. Including me. I was selling some beautiful baby linen at the time, she posted on my sales thread asking the price. Another mumsnetter catted me and asked if I could please offer this to babyjjbaby as a gift. I was in email contact with her, she was telling me she was accepting the gift, as her baby would soon be old enough for such linene. I added something off my own to the parcel. Never a thank you, never a confirmation it was received. But why would she, she was a scammer. Scamming mumsnetters to feel sorry for her, feel sympathy for her, and was given lots of stuff. People get jaded and cynical when this happens.

[ErikaMaye]

I'm quite horrified to read this... Trolls are generally quite foul. I run a couple of self harm / mental health support groups and one of them has been invaded by trolls to the point of having to stay up a few night last night to keep people from doing some serious damage to themselves...

I was worried I'd be accussed of being a troll, as I guess some of the things I have to say are rather extreme. I'm so glad I've been so welcomed here, think I'd have gone insane without everyone, and I'm so sorry for all of you that have been taken advantage of for being so caring.

[Greensleeves]

\link{http://www.elfwood.com/art/d/o/dorns/troll_dance.jpg\au revoir LolaTheShowgirl

[Greensleeves]

au revoir LolaTheShowgirl

[SolidGoldBrass]

Just wondering, honestly (and being a bit careful here) there was a popular poster who was outed/accused of trolling by a less popular one and I wondered if she did turn out to be a troll too. She had mental health issues (the maybe troll) and worked in education - anyone know?

[psychomum5]

hindsight is a wonderful thing isn;t it, when it comes to talking about trolls, especially confirmed trolls.

and yet at no point was I offered support from anyone bar my real life friends and the few I class as decent friends on here when cvq was going on.

oh yes, now people say it was obvious......why not say it back then??

well, because they didn;t know for sure and didn;t want to look unsympathietic for what sounded like a terribly sad story.

stories that do in fact happen to other people.

we believe them as we think of them as we think of ourselves......I would never even DREAM of making stuff up like trolls do.....so why on earth would I start thinking that they would......makes a mockery of me as a person surely!

now of course, like I said.......hindsight is wonderful.

problem is, it hurt me that deeply, and that harribly, that I have been left with a scar on me (that may sound a little , but being burnt emotionally by anyone leaves marks.....boyfriends, bully at school....even something as dreadful as losing someone to cancer....it all leaves its marks..........this has left one with me).

now, I fully admit I can be a little OTT at times, with anything, especially trolls.....if people don;t like me and my threads tho, you hide me or ignore me. most people here are nice enough and respectful enough to do that. doesn;t bother me.....I don;t like everyone either.....would be a boring world if we were all the same and liked everyone. I just don;t go on their threads, I avoid them.

sadly today tho, I know that some snide cowardly people have been discussing me, and tlaking about me (almost behind my back style like they used to at school.....yoou know, the bullies who aren;t brave enough to do it to yoour face).

they seem to have a jumped up sense of self importance, and are being ugly and vile......like trolls really, who by defination are ugly and vile.

tis a shame.......mumsnet has left a bad taste in my mouth today, on a day wehn I am feling fragile anyway as I am waiting results back on whether I have cancer or not.

there are a few lovely core posters who have not talked badly..............pity that they are overshadowed by the cwardly lot

next time, if someone pisses you off, you really should be big enough to say it on the thread, rather than do a thread about a thread. it is deserving of more respect that way!!

I have never once on this board talked about anyone the way I have been spoken about today, unless they have been a troll, or confirmed troll.

I do hope your smugness doesn;t come to bite you on the arse one day!

sorry for venting on this thread all that should be on the other one......am going to C&P now......and then am bidding MN a farewell for a fw days. I think I need a break from it all while I go look after myself.

[FAQinglovely]

I'm sorry physcho - I didn't want to say anything back then as I thought it was just "me"

[psychomum5]

FAQ, tis ok......I don;t blame anyone for the way I got sucked in.

she played on someting that happened to me as a child, and, in a selfish way I suppose, I hoped that by helping her I could heal myself (if that makes sense).

just hurt me more than I ever thought possible, for someone not in my RL!

still, live and learn, I learnt

[ErikaMaye]

Sending you hugs physcho. I'm sorry you're having a rough time right now.

[psychomum5]

thankyu for the hugs

I'm ok really....fragile more than I am letting on (tis the middle of the night all your fears come out isn;t it)....but 99% of me thinks all is fine.....just got a wee niggle is all.

and this, well, sucks royally TBH.

FAQ, I am sooooo sorry the cvq stuff affected yoou the way it did as well......you are very right, many other decent people probably got missed then.

which is why trolling in such an ugly way is so bad and should be stopped if at all possible.

[MonkeyMadnessssssssssss]

very dramatic.

And its not really possible to talk behind ones back on a public forum.

[FenellaFudge]

Psycho - sorry you're feeling upset.
Back during the CVQ nonsense, it felt impossible to speak up. So many people were hugely protective of her, even if someone offered her advice that was anything but fluffy they were rounded on.
I can understand why you now wish people had spoken up, but we probably all felt like we were the only one to doubt her. And honestly, think back to how you felt while you completely believed cvq, how would you have reacted to anyone questioning her authenticity? Angrily or defensively, I would imagine. Or thats certainly what I would have expected at the time.

[psychomum5]

oh it is!

there are lots of threads and conversations going on at any one time on here.......do you click on all of them?? nope, I think not, so actually, it is quite possible.

[psychomum5]

fenella, I am not blaming anyone for that.....as I said, hindsight is wonderful.

plus, I have to take some consideration for the fact that some of my RL (and MN friends....I know several off board), tried warning me. I never ever expected tho that someone could be that sick!

I know I was foolish and gullable.....I have learnt how easy tho it is to get sucked in!

[MonkeyMadnessssssssssss]

Psycho any thread with the word troll in the title is going to attract you like a moth to the flame

[psychomum5]

ah, but maybe because I hope that no-one else gets hurt in the same way. many here have been hurt like that......they got attracted and responded too......you seem to have been attracted to the thread.

please don;t try and make yourself feel better by being smug towards me and putting me down. tis not an attracive quality!

[MonkeyMadnessssssssssss]

I don't believe you are being a matyer and ding all this 'troll hunter' nonsense to protect others physco - that's utter nonsense

[DidEinsteinsMum]

I actually appreciate the fact that there are more experienced Mnetters looking out for those who try to decieve. My problem with the current rash of troll threads that are going on - it is the suspected laundry being aired in public that is intimidating. I am still fairly new and recently felt I had to justify, the fact that i was posting an incendary contriversal, thread with the Statement not trolling genuinely interested... Is it possible that simple statement is made eg Concerns have been raise about the OP and whilst it is being investigated we remind people to exercise caution when posting sensitive and personal information.

MumsNet is invaluable for the support, help and advice that it provides and i have become more fragile about posting in case someone mistakes my seriously screwed up life for someone trolling. I really do have that many issues and that is only the start

I appreciate the warning but wish it was possible to make it slightly more descreet. Thanks psychomum5 and everyone you have opened my eyes to the issues and approaches of the trolls, and the damage they do, in addition to the impact that have on the wider Mnet environment.

[SolidGoldBrass]

You know, I appreciate that some people have been badly hurt by some con artists and loons ('troll' is starting to turn into a word like 'porn' ie it means whatever the speaker means but not everyone has the same definition: to some people a troll is a fight-starter or a piss-taker, and entirely harmless). But it can;t be said often enough, be careful with new people, either online or RL - don't give away more than you can afford to lose to anyone you just met. With particular regard to the online tragedy-peddlers: look, those of you who are getting horribly sucked in and distressed are going to have to learn to take some responsibility for your own mental wellbeing. And if you are in a bad place yourself, walk away from traumatic threads.

[Umlellala]

FWIW

When I was 10, I rang Childline with a fake story about how I was being abused by my brother. I don't even have a brother... so far, so troll-y.

However, I was being abused by my grandfather at the time. So though I did not realise, it was a cry for help of sorts.

What I am trying to say is, although the story may be fake, you may find that the poster is actually in genuine need. So although it is obviously important to keep safe and aware and perhaps not be too involved, kind words cannot hurt IMVHO.

[Bucharest]

Psycho- so sorry you're going through (and have been through) such a shit time...x