To remove the toy baby feeding bottle from my dd's new doll bath and feeding set?

[Springfleurs]

I was brought up to think that breast feeding was a strange and rather disgusting thing to do.

Luckily managed to overcome this myself and b/f both dc for 5 months and 14 months respectively.

Took dd to a toy shop today and she chose a doll bath and feeding set. Unpacked it for her when we got in and there is a feeding bottle in there. I know it might seem a bit precious but it irritated me slightly, as though it was a mandatory piece of equipment for all babies/dolls.

Or

I am taking it all rather too seriously?

LTOS, the $3.6billion figure is the estimated potential savings in healthcare costs expected if bf rates were to increase to 75% at birth and 5-% at six months. Not the total costs. (It does seem an extraordinarily large amount, even allowing for the large population. Then again, I guess medical cost in general are very high in the US.)

Sunfleurs, if you thought that in the first place, why post on AIBU? Just want people to ratify your view? Thought so.

Leonie you sound certifiable.

Leonie - so when you see a ff infant, you feel an urge to take said infant from its loving mother (I say loving, how on earth could she be loving when she isn't bf) and feed it yourself? Mmm.

Creepy.

You fucking should be - seriously. cuckoo.

Oh and by the way that was said on the Judging Amnesty Thread - do you know what Amnesty means? Therefore not relevant here.

Well Leonie, if ever you get off those meds you're more than welcome to come be my wet nurse would love more than anything for my baby to get more breast milk.

Unfortunately, till then you'll both have to cry into your breakfast that my poor defensless baby girl is being fed formula!!

Leonie, why would you feel the urge to do that??!! Baby is being fed not thrown into a pile of broken glass FFS

Strange......

Nancy66 - the $35million figure refered to Australia, not the UK.

I don't know where anyone gets £12000 from. You: "the cost (in 1992 though) of hospital admissions for babies with gastroentiritis was £12 million. That's for all babies, not just ff, so we can presume 10-20% of that was spent on bf babies". Leaving 90% form formula-fed babies then - cost £10.8million. (1992 figures).

WHO figure refers to the annual cost savings in treating gastro-intestinal illnesses associated with a 5% increase in bf rates (1996 figures).

In other words, all the figures are referring to different aspects of costs (and different years/countries).

They all suggest that formula-feeding is associated with not-insignificant additional costs for infant health care.

scarlet the way it was worded wasn't very clear and i am always wary of stats being delivered through 3rd parties (in this case the website you linked to) who may have an axe to grind.

And in general (rather than just @ scarlet!); Thing is no-one has denied that breast is best, or that it would be great if there were a higher take-up in the UK.

People are simply saying that for various reasons they don't feel a toy bottle will make a difference.

Others are keen to expand the debate to forumla advertising, their actions around the world, television, etc etc ie the whole FF debate. And are not in the slightest bit interested in anyone who is trying to debate the original point.

I think it is unfair to have a go at women who have tried to BF and haven't been able, for whatever reason. Certianly they do get a very raw deal on MN, and I feel sorry for the way they feel they have to justify themselves to a bunch of people who are simply not prepared to listen. And that's not everyone on this thread, but there have been some really low points.

And for the umpteenth time, the more extreme attitudes displayed on this thread are easily enough to make women decide that BF is not for them. Presumably the opposite effect to the one hoped for.

OMG LT. I wondered if anyone else thought that bottles in playsets might have a negative effect in the long run. Thats all. I really did not bargain for all the exhausting, self justifying posts that I got.

It is not black and white, I am allowed to be pro breastfeeding and wonder what effect toys might have on the future uptake of formula feeding without it being malicious or attacking.

Actually this thread has now been taken over by rabid FF'ers so enjoy it. I am happy with my choices and feel no need to argue with you about yours.

Scarletlilybug - Wastingmyeducation quoted £35million a year from Unicef. If you examine the figures You (i think it was her) quoted it adds up to £12,000 a year. They quote 12,000 admissions a year for FF babies with gastro problems at a cost of £1000 each = £12,000

I don't dispute that BF saves NHS money I just think most of the figures are plucked from the air, especially that ludicrous £35million one.

OP: Yanbu

I never gave my dc's a bottle to feed their doll babies as don't want her to think that babies and bottles go together like a horse and cart.

Gosh, this has put me in mind of a picture I once saw of little aborignal girls - feeding their rag dolls from little clay triangle boobies, which dangled from a string around their necks.

Hmmmmm.... could be a gap in the market there..... Wonder if you could persuade ToysRUs to stock pretend breasts as right on doll accessories...

I find it funny that earlier on in this thread I was accused of conspiracy theories for suggesting that formula companies try to stop women breastfeeding, and now Unicef are twisting research.
What profit they make will be in reduced healthcare costs, which is surely a good thing. Why would they lie?!

pepperedmackerel excellent posts again.

£1000 each x 12,000 admissions = £12,000,000 no? Twelve million not thousand.

Watch you don't fall from your pedestal Leonie - its so high. How snobby does that sound "who havent got access to the information I have" - why do you have Govenment top secret files? You call them friends - friends support each other not silently think they are feeding their children poison.

You can keep your thoughts re BF others peoples babies to yourself, I remain very happy in my informed choice to FF and wouldnt let you near my child. I'd FF any more children without a second thought.

BF is a choice, dont ram it down peoples throats or make others feel bad for not choosing/being able to do so.

Parents make many choices re feeding, vaccinations, weaning etc but everybody has their own thoughts and own choices. My views on vaccinations differ to friends but we all made the decisions we were happy with and thats all that matters.

Puzzlerocks - you're right. god I'm dense at maths - prob because I was FF

Sunfleurs, I responded to your original point way back in the thread.

Sadly, it's a certain element of the bfers that have gone 'rabid', as you style it; peddling fake and ludicrous stats as fact and gibbering on about wanting to snatch ff babies from their mothers in order to bf them.

I think mothers should feed their own babies. as its important for mother/child bonding or the emotional health of the child. Yes, breast is best in terms of nutrition but a mother with a bottle beats a wet nurse for those who can't breastfeed IMO. What if formula wasn't being marketed but rather milk banks? How would people feel about bottles then?