To remove the toy baby feeding bottle from my dd's new doll bath and feeding set?

[Springfleurs]

I was brought up to think that breast feeding was a strange and rather disgusting thing to do.

Luckily managed to overcome this myself and b/f both dc for 5 months and 14 months respectively.

Took dd to a toy shop today and she chose a doll bath and feeding set. Unpacked it for her when we got in and there is a feeding bottle in there. I know it might seem a bit precious but it irritated me slightly, as though it was a mandatory piece of equipment for all babies/dolls.

Or

I am taking it all rather too seriously?

This is actually linked to on this thread, but here you go

Southmum, you can't have read this thread? I've not read all of it but just the last few posts people have explained why. Many mothers who care deeply about breastfeeding do exactly the same.

Oddly, TBM, I thought you might say something like that, because you only would've asked me if you wanted to boast about your own Good Works.

There's a lot of self-righteousness on this thread, as has already been pointed out.

Rather be self-righteous than not give a shit, tbh.

WME - 'estimated' is the key word in the site you linked to. Estimated by a loon.

I think those figures and that report is very iffy and vague not to mention 14 years out of date.

And what do I not give a shit about, WME? Pray, do tell.

Wasting - I know it was part of the general discussion and I stand by what I said - it is a shit thing to say, especially as the aim is obviously to make people who FF feel guilty.

Guess I have a lot to learn - my aim isn't to make anyone feel guilty about how they have fed their kids, I guess I didn't actually realise there are some people out there who like to do exactly that.

I didn't ask to boast, I wasn't going to mention what I do, I haven't gone into detail for that reason. My point was many people say they care more about child abuse but they don't do anything about it, whereas it's easy to normalise breastfeeding with your own children.

I do not want to make people who ff feel guilty.
I want mothers to make informed choices.
This isn't a thread about someone who formula feeds, it isn't even about someone who wants to ff, it's about why someone would want to chuck a toy bottle out. It's politics.

TBM I have read and followed this thread from the beginning and part of me does still think its been a wind up. I also care about breastfeeding but not enough to want to rant on at people who choose not to.

Wasting - if that link was for me I saw it already previously and was given all of that info before I chose to BF and then go on to FF.

I have a question to the general forum - if one of your friends decided to FF for various reasons, and you decide to give her a talking too (explained her baby might die if not BF, will get various diseases etc etc) and successfully changed her mind, would you feel good about yourself??

LadyThomson, it was an observation of the thread as a whole.

WME - informed choices? You post links to nonsense with ridiculous figures as if they are gospel, and you have the nerve to bang on about politics and agendas? Breathtaking!

LadyThompson, that's from Unicef. Why is it ridiculous?

Wasting - I know its not a thread about BF or FF, its about a plastic toy bottle in a childs playset but it will obviously spill over into the BF / FF debate so I was merely commenting on that part of the debate, if that makes sense....

If you don't want to make people who chose to FF feel guilty then why bring up the fact(??) that babies die from not being BF. Thats not information that is scaremongering

it talks about infants who had gastro problems that were also formula fed - it isn't clear whether the problems were caused directly by FF. The figures just smack of being a wild guess - not endorsed by the NHS.

The only figures the NHS have given on more BF saving them money is £1million a year. The report is sensationalist.

BF babies cost the NHS money too.

It's an 'offshoot' of Unicef, which covers no end of bases, but even supposing it was a press release from Unicef itself, charities aren't above using dodgy figures. £35 million per year in the UK spent on gastroenteritis from ff? That is rubbish, and I may well write to Unicef to complain about them paddling this crap. Any GP would laugh those figures out of town.

Deaths from bottle-feeding are mainly in less developed parts of the world, but ff babies are at a higher risk of illness too including in the UK.
Do you want me to pretend that either that isn't true, or doesn't matter?

Unicef and the WHO are absolutely notorious for getting it wrong when it comes to facts, figures and information. They have been spooking people for years with their dire predictions.

Swine flu would be a prime recent example.

Well my GP has crappy breastfeeding knowledge, so I'm sure mine would too.

Ooooh no. You aren't wriggling out of that one. Direct quote:

'It was estimated in 1995 that the NHS spends £35 million per year in England and Wales in treating gastro-enteritis in formula-fed infants'.

That is a lie. That is a ginormous, wobbling, honker of a LIE. Please do not continue to propagate this lie, it's bad enough that is out there in the first place.

Ok, but I'd like to see your evidence.

Where's YOUR evidence? You are the one who is insisting this is true, and presenting it as fact! The onus of proof is on you - not me. £35million in England and Wales alone, (not even the UK as a whole!) on gastroenteritis alone, from formula fed infants alone. Truly - you'd have to be - let's be polite here - rather naive to swallow that.

Leonie - oh, do you believe this figure, then? Do you think it's ok to cite it? I do not. I STRONGLY do not feel that it is ok to cite it. This is a robust discussion. I have no patience with people presenting me with laughable, made up figures as evidence.