To think that if you cannot afford free range chicken/turkey meat and eggs...

[LolaTheShowgirl]

...then don't buy at all?

I mean the suffering these birds go through in cramped, dirty sheds is unbelievable. There is usually no natural light and the birds are usually ill before they're culled.

If you can stomach it, please look at these:
WARNING: NOT NICE PICTURES!
HERE

I've not read the whole thread but someone said the supermarket don't sell cheaper cuts of meat. I've seen shoulder, thighs and drumsticks all in supermarkets.

It does vary though NA, I looked in a local supermarket and found nothing free range or roganic whatsoever: whilst I have a car and can go elsewhere, it's the only one servinf 2 massive housing estates where most people don't have that option.

A lot of the people here rely on the local Spar, especially the elderly residents. That's when both limited choice and 'rural poverty'(we're not that rural but it's a few miles to a supermarket or similar) really come into effect. You can't run a car to get to the farm shop and you can't buy anything other than pre processed intensively produced shite in the local places. And of course the buses are inevitably rubbish and full of students which must be off putting to elderly people with limited mobility.

The cheapest chicken i've found here btew has been about £5-6; I think the days of the £1.99 special are long gone, the gap between intensively reared and free range is narrowing but my guesstimate is a side effect is that the really poor will just buy things like sauages instead so less healthy products with lower meat and higher crap content.

Then I hope that they organise that for you, Riven.

Look, I agree, Twinkle.

BUT, people need to want to do something different.

So instead of scolding people, why not appeal to their better sense, because I think they've got it!

Why not start with, Please buy British.

Let's start with looking after our food producers, before it is too late.

Buy British, buy as locally as you can.

Start here, folks. This documentary is called The Lie of the Land, by Molly Dineen, and it's about British farming today.

here

This is the follow-up. It's called Return to the Lie of the Land.

www.channel4.com/blogs/page/fourdocs?entry=return_to_the_lie_of

Please take some time, it's a slow night on TV, and make up your own minds.

But if you care at all, please buy British, veg, meat, what have you.

Show your pride in being British by supporting our food producers. No, it doesn't cost more. You can do this at nearly any supermarket.

Learn about what is seasonal in our island:
here.

Don't know what to do with it? Ask on MN for recipes or do a search! Always happy to help.

This isn't about what you have not, this is about what we have and can't afford to lose.