to be bl**dy furious that my DD has measles because other parents won't vaccinate?

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poor DD is only 11 mo and has horrid measles all over her, full of cold, streaming eyes, diarrhea, very unhappy and sleepy and limp. I am so so for her, but more I am absolutely bloody with idiot parents who won't have the MMR!

The doctor actually told me this morning that the reason it is so prevalent in our area is because of stupid people refusing to vaccinate their children and compromising the immunity of the whole group. So now my LO, who is only 2 months off having the vaccination herself, is really really sick because of other people's stupidity. It's making my blood boil! Do people not realise how dangerous it can be in little babies? And does anyone still seriously believe the so called "research" which claimed a link between MMR and autism? It has been so completely discredited in recent years you would think people would have got over it by now and started vaccinating again

Arrgh!!

arghhh can't find the page with yearly rates/regions/ages from last time.

I'm sure the "ages" of the increased instances were interesting reading too.

MMR is not compulsory in France.

Is that true Cote d'Azure? Does anyone know if autism rates are lower in France? Or deaths from childhood diseases higher?

oopsagain
If I had an autistic child, you can bet your bottom dollar I would pay for single vaccines for my other children. Or if we had a history of autism in the family.

What about the people who simply cannot afford the £100 per vaccine though?

And no, perhaps it is not all Wakefield's fault, perhaps the press did some scaremongering. Look at the panic about Swine Flu at the moment.

'And unfortunately it is not good enough to say "each parent can make decisions for their own dcs, it is no-one else's business"
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It has to be good enopuigh,because the aprents are the advocates. If you tried to push me into getting ds4 the MMR I will start going into hiding now.

Because he ahs two siblings with ASD; also one with ADHD which is possibly genetically linked; we are at such risk that I have a letter from the Welsh Genetics Service inviting us in sat here with me.

So for ds4 I am his best advocate, and for me that means non vaccination.Well no it meant separate jabs actually but DH just got made redundant so sadly a wait has been forced upon us.

I realise the risk to the population as a wider group but I also recognise that tere are very few famillies as at risk as ours, and for ds4 IMO the opinion of severe disability through ASD is as great or greater than through measles.

I've watched too many times when my boys have suffered from ASD linked issues, THAT is relaity for me.

It is also my understanding that vaccination rates are lowest in inner city areas with a very high immigrant population - which one would imagine would have a greater effect on overall immunisation than the small number of middle class parents who chose not to vaccinate

Cote D'Azur, I am NOT new to MN and yes I HAVE read other threads on this. It just beggars belief that there are still people out there who are taken in by the Andrew Wakefield "research" - see the latest news on his GMC hearing

www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/jan/12/mmr-autism-case

Obviously I am pretty today and I do accept there are some very few exceptions of children who have contraindications to the MMR, but the vast majority do not.

It was actually my DOCTOR who told me this morning that the reason measles is so prevalent is because of parents refusing to give their children MMR.

"over 500 million doses of MMR have been given worldwide.How much proof that its safe is needed !!!"

Well one dose led to massive seizures and the regression in the child I know. (To non verbal 11 year old in nappies). Another dose I know stopped a 3 year old's speech overnight. Another dose led to an HDU admission for a child I know.

I think I'll need a little more proof please.

spicemonster - I did ask my doctor if the low herd immunity was due to the high rates of immigration in our area and he stated not - most immigrants are immunised in their home countries and do not pose a risk, so yes, it is actually the middle class people selfishly refusing the MMR which are causing the problem

I am sorry that your DD has measles, but please try not to be furious at all parents who decide not to vaccinate.

I had DD2 vaccinated with her MMR just before the andrew wakefield study was published, so at that time herd immunity was still very sound, but she still caught measles..........it was doing the rounds even then (DD2 was born 1996, so was vaccinated at the end of 1997, the study was publish early 1998 IIRC), and that could not be blamed on parents not having the vaccines as more than 95% did back then if I am right in the rough statistics.

DD2 was then tested for immunity to the MMR, and it was found not to have worked for her for some strange reason, altho apparently this can happen................so some of those children now catching or carrying measles might well have been vaccinated.......you just don;t know!

DD2 was then given a different type of MMR, which thankfully worked, but due to her issues, plus the immunity prob my DD3 has, all my three younger children had their MMR at well over 2yrs old. I was lucky to be able to take that choice for MY children, as do many other parents out their take choices for their children.

like I say, I am very sorry that your DD has caught measles, but to blame all other parents and call them idiots, well, for that I have to say you are being unreasonable.

I don't know much about this subject TBH.

I am one of the other idiots who got my DS vaccinated without a minutes research but then again why would I research when myself, my twin sisters, my brother and a lot of my family and friends all had the MMR and no one had any sort of reaction at all.

I do kind of see where you are coming from OP I'd be upset too, what I do think people seem to have forgotten here is that the OP's DD is probably seriously ill witha condition which IIRC can be fatal.

I'd be upset and angry too because it would be a bloody horrible experience knowing it can be 'prevented' in a way.

But that does'nt mean that the parents are stupid or idiots same as I am not 'sheep like' for having it done without a 2nd thought.

FWIW I chose to get DS done because I do believe that it is safer to be vaccinated than to catch these things.

Sorry Marla, missed that one.

But wasn't meaning your dcs personally, meant everyone's dcs - a question about policy in general. That is the important thing with this issue, not getting bogged down in what happened to peoples next door neighbours, etc.

"It was actually my DOCTOR who told me this morning that the reason measles is so prevalent is because of parents refusing to give their children MMR."

of course it would be - LOL he's not going to want to admit that there are other factors involved

My oldest child is nearly 16, and I used to go to a lot of mother & baby and toddler groups, and know a not insignificant number of children who markedly regressed following the MMR. Some kind of got better, some not. One is a now a large, non-verbal, epileptic, incontinent and aggressive 13 yr old.

It is a very large and complicated issue best not seen in black and white.

You area ware of some of the creds of people here- the background of for example MrsT whom I would take advice from on ASD as willingly as any GP? The sheer lack of training on ASD etc that GPs have?

Just a thought

Um novice- that article doesn't say anything about the GMC case. The GMC case is indeed fascinating but very hard to read about in any detail (except on the Cry Shame website). This month's Autism File has some details as well.

The ethics questions have been particularly revealing. For example he's been accused of not following ethical procedures, but the GMC case is showing that he did. He didn't reveal that he was being paid for expert advice because he wasn't at the time of the study.

Probably the reason that little has been reported is that so far there's nothing damaging that has been revealed. I see papers didnt rush to report Horton's opinion that the original Lancet paper still stands.

I had a GP tell me that girls can't get autism

So I hope my advice is better than that Peachy

Why can't people deal with the fact that all of us as parents/grandparents/guardians whatever we are all trying to do our best for our children!

We will all have differing opinions on every subject!

to the op. i am with you on this one hundred percent.
people who go on and on about research showing risk factors etc, tend to forget that these vaccinations exist to reduce infant mortality. and that without these, babies and children DIE......if they want to return to a time where there was a one in five chance your baby wouldnt survive the first year of life, feel free to refuse vaccinations, but remember also, that when you are happily letting your child run that risk, you are also endangering other peoples children.
but people who do there own research, till they find the statistics that agree with their own pov also tend to be extremely eloquent, and can argue black into white, if that is what they choose to believe in, whereas those of us who dont, tend to get all het up, and upset, and end up making no sense at all, jusst like i am about to do.

Novicemama
tbh, I do think that you should probably leave this thread as you are much too emotionally involved and it is likely to upset you too much.

I do understand that you are so worried (and angry) and that you need someone to blame but the majority of MNetters who have decided not to vaccinate have done so after many weeks/months of agonising. Berating them is not going to help you and you are only going to get more upset.