to be bl**dy furious that my DD has measles because other parents won't vaccinate?

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poor DD is only 11 mo and has horrid measles all over her, full of cold, streaming eyes, diarrhea, very unhappy and sleepy and limp. I am so so for her, but more I am absolutely bloody with idiot parents who won't have the MMR!

The doctor actually told me this morning that the reason it is so prevalent in our area is because of stupid people refusing to vaccinate their children and compromising the immunity of the whole group. So now my LO, who is only 2 months off having the vaccination herself, is really really sick because of other people's stupidity. It's making my blood boil! Do people not realise how dangerous it can be in little babies? And does anyone still seriously believe the so called "research" which claimed a link between MMR and autism? It has been so completely discredited in recent years you would think people would have got over it by now and started vaccinating again

Arrgh!!

"If you'd have rather risked not catching it in childhood and having it when pregnant instead"

Err, no.

What I am saying is, leave kids to have their rubella in childhood. For the GIRLS who don't, there should be pre-puberty controls of immunity and vaccination.

Where is the risk? I don't see it. If you don't catch it in childhood, you then get immunized before you are of childbearing age anyway.

It is such a mild disease that many people will have it without even noticing it, like yours truly, and will be surprised when they test immune.

you can get it, privately certainly, and some NHS hospitals might offer it, dc's immunologist did.

By the way, I'm booked for a CS on 27 May now, which will be a day before my 40 weeks. Trying to keep baby in until then

Yes you can get tetanus individually, but officially for age 10+. I do intend to try and source something suitable soon, but it's not freely available on the NHS (or wasn't when my GP last looked for me).

Wow am genuinely impressed that a few people have revised their opinions on those who choose not to vaccinate. I think this is the first thread I've seen on vax where that has happened.

Kate - I see you haven't been back but if you are lurking I strongly recommend that you read more of the thread. I find your ignorance quite shocking and as for your opinion that all non-MMR'd children should be refused access to school......... Who are you? The MMR Police?

As for the OP, glad your dd is getting better I felt that some of your comments about people who haven't given their dc the MMR were quite patronising but I do understand that you really believe you are right

Pagwatch, beachcomber, Peachy, Saintly etc. -as usual you conduct yourselves with great dignity. At least this time it is not completely wasted as some posters have revised their opinions on the topic

Agree wrt the one size fits all comment (or rather it doesn't) Why not just offer measles single vax to all babies, mumps to boys in yr6 and rubella to girls in yr 6? Would that really be so difficult?

This one always drives me bonkers

DH was bitten by a dog a year ago. Went to hosp. Told he needed tetanus
"OK" he said " but just tetnus. We don't do well with vaccines"
"of course" they said
gave himthe jab and sent him home with infornation card
The info card said he had just been given the DpT.
He is over 7 - although he does still like a good farty joke.
Same thing with DS1 when back raked open at rugby - dpt and he was 15

It is like a weird vortex of random info. I think the DpT was designed to drive me mad.

i managed to do that Cote! Good luck!
Does the single tetanus still have mercury in it though? 3 in one doesn't.

Does DT still contain thimerosal I wonder? That's why I didn't do that when it was available.

I got DTP after a dog bite a couple of years ago too pag. I just assumed they would just give me what I needed

Re. AAE's question earlier about other vax - I gave ds the DTP 5 in 1. He was due to have the one with thimeserol (?sp) but I held off a month or so until the new one came out. I still wasn't entirely happy with the idea of such a loaded vaccination but that was what we chose.

Most, if not all, vaccinations contain aluminium. This concerns me, particularly as I have read that it is unnecessary.

Saintly - ds was given the dtp winter 04. It was the new one minus thimeserol. I took him for the booster last year and asked the practice nurse whether it had mercury in it. She didn't know Waited while she checked with a colleague, who said it doesn't.

What about BCG. Why did we stop vaccinating 15 yr olds? TB is a problem esp. in certain parts of London.

I don't mind the diptheria so much as it increases the effectiveness of the tetanus. I'm not that bothered about polio because to be frank with a severely autistic brother ds2 and ds3 are not going to be trekking the Hindu Kush until they can go alone (and they'll be old enough then to go and get it themselves if they want it).

I'm certainly no expert on the BCG but I'm not sure it's that effective. Poverty a big factor too (although of course not the only one). I do know someone who picked up TB in the States and it has been a royal PITA (actually my great uncle died from it, I can remember visiting him in the sanatorium!)

not bang up to date, but reasonably recent

I was also told by an Advanced Life Support teacher that the infection rates have risen along with an increase in migrant groups. Don't know how reliable that info was.

yes I think that's true. I think (but could be entirely incorrect) there was a bit of an increase with the collapse of the Soviet Union.

That's interesting. What a great source of information mumsnet is

Thank you for some of the nice comments, helps one step away from the gin bottle .

For the record my child reacted badly (at the time) and was damaged by the DTP. Neither of my children have had MMR. I only became interested in MMR because my DD shows similar gut problems to those manifested by autistic children affected by MMR, and she has been helped by some of the biomedical interventions which have also helped many autistic children. I do not think that this is a coincidence. I am eternaly grateful to the people whose work with autism has helped my daughter. Without wanting to be dramatic, their knowledge and tireless struggle to help us understand and treat these conditions has saved my daughter's life and my sanity with it.

Incredibly I am currently having to fight with our school to have them accept DD2 without the (in France) manditory DTP vaccine. It seems the school doctor would like us to jab DD2 and see if she reacts any better than her sister. This is despite numerous letters from our GP and allergist explaining why DD2 has not received this vaccine (the only one required for school entry in France).

beachcomber - was that the DTP with or without mercury?

Without. It seems that France has been a little more careful than the UK and the US when it comes to mercury.

The vaccine contains aluminium though. My DD's thigh became extremely swollen after her DTP and she had a nodule at the injection site for months. Such nodules are well documented as being a reaction to aluminium.

She also had Hep B though and it contains both aluminium and thimerosol.

The DTP vaccine that she had (three times as baby jabs) is no longer used in France due to its "high reactivity".

Cote- yes indeed- I had rubella as a 10 yr old and still have very good immunity 30 years on (had antibody test at the start of this pregnancy). I don't think you get that from the vaccination.