to be bl**dy furious that my DD has measles because other parents won't vaccinate?

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poor DD is only 11 mo and has horrid measles all over her, full of cold, streaming eyes, diarrhea, very unhappy and sleepy and limp. I am so so for her, but more I am absolutely bloody with idiot parents who won't have the MMR!

The doctor actually told me this morning that the reason it is so prevalent in our area is because of stupid people refusing to vaccinate their children and compromising the immunity of the whole group. So now my LO, who is only 2 months off having the vaccination herself, is really really sick because of other people's stupidity. It's making my blood boil! Do people not realise how dangerous it can be in little babies? And does anyone still seriously believe the so called "research" which claimed a link between MMR and autism? It has been so completely discredited in recent years you would think people would have got over it by now and started vaccinating again

Arrgh!!

'to a very very statistically tiny group of children possibly, maybe developing some mainly treatable conditions'

But you see it would be a fourth time, and not only that I wuld blame myself because I made that choice and I am just too tired and can't do it.

If it meant home schooling I owuld, though it would be cruel to deny my children state education because of my very real fear.

I know people on here aren't going to listen they think I am stupid and read the DM (I dont btw- it's crap). But the more the name calling is hurled around then the more people like myself will give up talking about the issue.

There may well be some Mums who didnt vacciate becuase of very little interest or heard half a rumour, that's not the people here in the main.

SSShhhh - Not so loud KM
sore head

'There are some who argue that it's worth the risk of some having bad reactions for the sake of the herd immunity. I'd like to ask if it would still be ok if you knew in advance and had the names and little pictures of those who were going to be damaged for the sake of your kids?'

there's one on my profile

he has the 3 siblings with ASD or related disorders, and the casein (milk) intolerance that Pag tlaks about as related.

That's as real as it gets

oh I know onagar, I was agreeing with you

awwww peachy what a lovely little group of atypical immune responses .

Our boys do seem to get the cute gene though don't they?

LOL Pag

They are a cute lot aren't they? I once heard of someone who was asked during ASD assessment if their child was unusually beautiful as that was linked ( is that standard then MrsT? )

Not proven AFAIK as an indicator...... maybe only ugly kids should have the MMR?

the vaccination schedule does cause me sleepless nights I have to admit - just seems so many in such a short time.

otherwise i'd wager the specialist would be up against the GMC by now.

Pag,saintly,peachy and beach, I just want to say how incredibly diplomatic you have been. I cannot begin to comprehend how difficult your situations must be at times.

I have vaccinated my DS with the MMR twice. The first time I cried in the Drs surgery because I felt to scared that it may cause irreversible health problems. Thankfully he was absolutely fine. DD is now due her MMR and it is no easier. I really believe you when you say that you feel there was a link between the MMR and you chidren's health preblems.

Thinking about whether to risk the triple jab now with DD I am wondering....if your child has a genetic predisposition to autism, could this not be triggered by the single jab, the wild measles virus or the MMR? What is it specifically about the MMR that makes it such a potential trigger for some kids? I would appreciate your educated opinions.

As for he OP , I am sorry your little girl was so ill... but really your title thread is rude and thoughtless. I understand that you are stressed and tired so it is forgivable.

izy
I suspect that there could easily be other triggers. And for DS2 I think the fact that he had chicken pox in the months before his MMR primed him IYSWIM.
I think there was a very particular 'perfect storm' of circumstances that made DS2 react to his MMR where most other children wouldn't.

The thing about the MMR is that DD may get wild measles but that is only a possibilty. injecting her with the MMR would be exposing her to her brothers trigger rather than possibly not getting it at all.
DS2 is so badly affected that actually DD won't have the single either.

But if you have no auto immune issues and no asd I would not worry too much

Well DD has excema and just had chicken pox...sooo...but I dont know whether giving her a single measles jab could put her at a potential similar risk iyswim.

izy.
its difficult. All you can do is research and decide.
There are no perfect answers for anything.
Good luck.

For those of you not doing the MMR I would be interested to know your thoughts on other vaccines - has anyone decided to avoid other vaccines after looking into the ingredients in them? I admit that it was the media that made me research the issue 9 years ago at MMR time (DS had the baby jabs already) - after months and months of research into the diseases, how vaccines are made and how they affect our systems, I decided to not vaccinate any more. I am still undecided on mumps if DS has not had it pre-puberty as mumps is mega mild up till then and I will also get the girl's rubella status checked when they are teens to see if they need a rubella jab to protect future pregnancies.

I just believe that the system of healthcare of 'one-size fits all' is not appropriate for any child and that we as parents have responsibilities to look into the issues and evaluate for ourselves rather than going with 'the herd' and then doing what is right for our families in our heart.
I also can't believe they are giving newborns a BCG jab either - it is notoriousy ineffective and has lots of side-effects.

Just my thoughts..

Actually DD's Doctors didn't. But the NHS still officially thinks I should so my GP is obliged to get my refusal in writing.

And many of the posters on here think I should be forced to - lovely people that they are

justabout - do you really know many people who refuse to vaccinate? I know none in RL. The only ones I've encountered are on MN and most seem to have a very valid reason not to. Don't the people you know get singles then?

YANBU - I know it's a contentious issue. DS had his at 13 months and was poorly for 6 weeks afterwards as he gradually had mini-doses of measles and mumps etc.

I'm still glad I made the choice to give it to him. My mum is completely deaf in one ear as a result of measles as a child.

As a teacher, we had two cases of measles last year. I was pregnant so had to have blood tests to check my immunity. I was a little pissed off at the time.

I do support parents who have made an informed decision to not give their children the jab after reading around the subject. I certainly would not refer to these parents as 'idiots' just because I haven't made the same choice for my DS.

What frustrates me is those parents who follow the herd, without thinking of the consequences of their decision. One of the boys with measles was in intensive care for 2 weeks as a result, and is only just back at school after months.

We have to make these decisions as parents and it's bloody hard.

the problem with doing no vaccines at all [unless your child has significant health problems] is that you really are dependent on society being vaccinated to protect your child. I am thinking of polio in particular.

I mean I am very sympathetic to the concerns about vaccinating, we know so little about the immune system, but I do wonder what the alternative is.

Pag exactly, it is not the easy decision that the OP and others claim it is.