to be bl**dy furious that my DD has measles because other parents won't vaccinate?

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poor DD is only 11 mo and has horrid measles all over her, full of cold, streaming eyes, diarrhea, very unhappy and sleepy and limp. I am so so for her, but more I am absolutely bloody with idiot parents who won't have the MMR!

The doctor actually told me this morning that the reason it is so prevalent in our area is because of stupid people refusing to vaccinate their children and compromising the immunity of the whole group. So now my LO, who is only 2 months off having the vaccination herself, is really really sick because of other people's stupidity. It's making my blood boil! Do people not realise how dangerous it can be in little babies? And does anyone still seriously believe the so called "research" which claimed a link between MMR and autism? It has been so completely discredited in recent years you would think people would have got over it by now and started vaccinating again

Arrgh!!

Thanks, Ruty. Will ask.

They've started addressing letters to him now

Thanks-a-bunch, GPs! What a great idea - send a letter about having an injection to my seven year old son with autism...who's scared of needles. Nice one

I don't want him to have a booster without knowing more about the effects of the booster - was that implicated in Wakefield's research, or just the first one? If he had single jabs the first time, should he have them again? Is worrying about this like bolting the stable door after the horse has run off? Aaarggghh.

I Have 2 ds's with a big age gap between them. DS1 is 10 1/2 yrs old, had the mmr but not the booster. Nor will he come hell or high water.

DS2 is 19m and has not had the 12m jabs and certainly not the MMR and he won't be.

DS1's behaviour changed drastically after having it and there is no way in the world that I will be putting ds2 through the same.

TheLadyEvenstar,cases like yours are what I meant. You have made a decision based on your experience, nobody can disrespect that really. Every mother will do what's best for their own children, it's only natural.

If my ds had got measles at 11 months I'd count myself bloody lucky that that was over and done with, and I now had no need to faff around with crap and ineffective vaccinations.

When I was a child parents used to take their children around to visit those who had measles in the same hope.

Sorry if this point's been made 10 times, haven't read whole thread yet.

ib what a stupid and insensitive thing to say

Jung,

It was so sad to see ds1 change so much and also have dr's tell me they could not find the cause. It took one dr 5 minutes flat to tell me his honest opinion on why ds1 had changed after listening to everything i had to say, and also my opinion on what had changed him. Don't get me wrong ds1 is a good boy at heart and I try to remind myself of this when he is in full swing.....tbh i could not go through it again with ds2. And also I think a mother knows what is best for their child better than any dr.

ib, must have been the thing to do then.i remember being taken to visit my grandmother when i had the measles, to find 6 of my cousins (2 different sets btw)waiting for me to arrive. we all ended up sharing a bedroom over the week i was there. same thing when we (me and big sis) had chickenpox, and again for mumps. remember thinking i was great because i was the only one out off 8 cousins who didnt come down with mumps!

Well, I must be stupid and insensitive then . Oh, I forgot, the OP already called me an idiot. Well there you go then.

In most of the world measles is still considered a normal childhood disease. By the way it can't be eradicated by vaccination, the vaccine isn't effective enough (MMR less than the single), so whatever people do about vaccination there will still be outbreaks.

Your doctor was talking politics, not medicine (who'se surprised there?)

By the way I won't give ds the MMR because I would much rather he got mumps as a child and had lifelong immunity than that he had a vaccine which wears off just when the disease is most dangerous. If he hasn't had mumps by the time he is a teen I'll give it to him then.

And I do know what I'm talking about on that one, dh had mumps as a teenager which is why ds is an only son (and a miracle at that)

theladyevenstar, sorry about your ds. The same thing happened to my eldest, now 10.5.
He stopped eating, growing, speaking, had shocking nappies, loads of undigested food etc. No dr's/consultant appointments could say what had happened, but it all happened almost immediately after the mmr.
We took him to cranial osteopath in the end and she said she had seen many many cases of children who simply seemed to shut down after the mmr.
You can never know beforehand if your child will be very adversely affected.
He is still not normal,but we have worked tirelessly to help him.
I could never take the risk with my other children.

yes yabu

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Kitty, It is so awful isn't it?
After the mmr he started bedwetting, being a picky eater, major tantrums, constant ear infections, was diagnosed with RAS (reflex anoxic siezures) constant tonsilitis, and everything else you can imagine, including arthritis in one knee just before he turned 5. Now I could be wrong but all these things happened AFTER the mmr, before that he was a happy go lucky little boy with no health issues except asthma which was not bad at all.

To all mothers on here whose children have changed after having MMR, your stories mean more than statistics, because you live with it every day. I don't blame you for not vaccinating subsequent children, and you should all be respected for this decision, IMO

Sorry about your dd novicemama,really hope she is better soon.
Have to say,my 2 sons have not had the mmr.Dp and I are not stupid,and it was not a decision made lightly.
I have found this thread interesting in parts.

DD aged 14 had both jabs
ds - 12 had first but no booster
ds2 -8 neither and wont be either.

Are boosters any different in their composition than the initial jab?

junglist - well said!

Ruty, I am v. interested in what you say about coxsackie virus,as DS1, who was MMR'd as a baby AND boosted when he started school, as well as catching measles, also caught this nasty virus. It involved a couple of trips to hospital and time off school.

And yet, DS2, who was only MMrd once and not boosted, never caught either illness from his brother. So, was I irresponsible for having DS! fully vaccinated, or for not having DS2 done? After all, DS1 would have been the one who was infectious/contagious etc.

There was a lot about cytokines and autism at IMFAR leonie. And one talk I went to mentioned cytokines and a later trigger from 'the dreaded vaccinations' as the researcher put iit.

A search of the IMFAR 2008 abstracts might give you some more leads to follow to scientists. I find 98% reply if you email them,

varicose- no- exactly the same jab.

TheLadyEvenstar yes it is awful, your poor ds. That's the thing though you and I and countless other parents can't say for sure that it was or wasn't due to that but we also can't take the risk again.

junglist, thank you .

There have been some really, really interesting points made on this thread today by some really educated, well read people. I have learnt a lot and I haven't had the time to read all of it!

Of course there are some ignorant people who haven't really got a clue what they're talking about,but that's life.

perhaps at some point the OP will step out of her shoes and start to look at the experiences of others like myself and TheladyEvenstar and realise it's not as simply as people being too ignorant or lazy to vaccinate.

Hopefully she has learned something from this thread that will help her to look upon others with more compassion than her op showed.

Kitty, you are right, far too many people like yourself and I have had the same experience with our dc and the MMR for there NOT to be a link somewhere along the line.

BUT far too many people are not open to seeing the bigger picture and things must remain black and white...

Oh so and so did not vaccinate how lazy.

not

Oh I wonder if there was a good reason behind so and so not vaccinating.

I was a lot younger when I had ds1 but my instincts told me NOT to let him have the MMR, sadly I listened to other people and I am now paying the price. I am listening to my instincts this time!!!