Feminism of the past is not the feminism of today? If this thread is anything to do by, it's all about the past. People here are still taking about biological imperatives and biology as if it was determinism. It isn't. Biological determinism has been out in the open as a fake bogey man for some time now. Yet I'm the one who knows nothing of today's feminism? If this thread is a true reflection of feminism today, I despair for it.
Why do you always do this Dittany? Do you really think condensing peoples arguments into your own sound bites makes them that shallow? Do you think people reading them cannot smell the desperation in them? Did I say we should "ignore" the negatives? No, i said it was biased with negatives. "There isn't a political party or political movement in the world that doesn't have criticisms of the way things currently are and proposals about how they should be in the future." Erm, I hate to burst you bubble but there are tons of them! Or, "Claiming men rape because of a reproductive imperative is simply wrong, and nuanced or not" Actually, it isn;t wrong. In any sense of the word. It really isn't. I know you don't want it to be so. But that doesn?t make it so. I am really sorry.
Re the rape crisis centre my specific point was about their myths section. And people can go on and read it without your editorial help and make their own minds up about the impartiality of it. It is there for all to see. There is no need to use selective quotes.
Mumcentreplus I am not an anti-feminist. To assert that I am means that this thread is entering silly season where people are not interested in discussing things reasonably." Even if men did have a biological imperative to do it, that still wouldn't lessen their responsibility for doing it. Would it?" Absolutely it does not. Just as people have a biological imperative to murder some people - hatred - greed - and it doesn't lessen their responsibility either. The 'men can't help themselves' is not a hard argument to crush actually. We have nothing to fear from biology.
I am a feminist. Just not a second wave or post feminist. That apparently equals ?anti-feminist?. Of course it does. I, and so many of us a ?female chauvinist pigs? for not toeing the 2nd wave line. Shame on us.
I have never asserted all men are rapists. I have never asserted that I have contempt for feminist pioneers. Oh, I've been misquoted so much here and now its reaching a feverish pitchfork hysteria. Who is on the defensive here? Who is threatened? It isn't me.