To feel sorry for the 15 year old mum?

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I know there is already a thread going about this but I've just been reading a story about all these other boys coming forward saying that they slept with her. One boy is quoted as saying "She kept asking me out but I didn't want to because I thought she was ugly but I did sleep with her" etc etc...

Not only is it now all over the papers that she's had a baby at 15, the entire nation knows that she allegedly slept around, had sex with what looks like an 8 year old and she will probably read at some point that the lads thought she ws ugly but slept with her anyway.

I can't imagine what this must be doing to her. Her confidence was already low to start with but she's nothing more than a freak show now.

The young lad has the baby face which just makes everyone think "awww" whereas she is totally demonised and dragged through the mud. And she's only 15.

Her age is no issue for me its all abit maury as well whos the daddy you see them all on the 100% sure he is the daddy and it turns out its not

Dittany I had sex at 15 I was not sexually abused I was just horny. But I was careful and didn't sleep around.

She is denying that she has slept with anyone else.

I just can't believe people are making money from this thats the shocking part.

My close friend got a girl pregnant when he was 15 she was 17 and he is now 32 his eldest daughter will be 18 this year and also has a baby boy who is one and he is a great father he brought her up good.

People always talk about the low teenage pregnancy rate in the Netherlands and piont to the different attitude to sex education.

What people don't consider is that girls there are not entitled to benefits/housing until they are at least 18 (or, more usually, 21). And also that teenage mothers there are heavily stigmatised.

There surely has to be some compromise betweeen the stigma of the old days and the benefits/housing culture of today. Because today's policies, quite clearly, aren't working.

Yes, most 15 year olds are vulnerable. Yes, no 15 year old is an adult. And yet:

A 15 Year Old Is Not A Child.

Those who are inclined to disagree (why? ) might benefit from looking up the definition of the word 'child'. They will see "girl or boy between babyhood and puberty".

Obviously, this young mother has reached puberty. And clearly she is no longer a child.

Really, your efforts would be better spent arguing something else.

She's a perv for shagging a kid that looks 8 IMO.

Soz, no nice way to say that.

The boys dad has got Max Clifford on board.... they are all cashing in, and it sucks.

I feel sorry for the babe. Not sure it really stands a chance...

Teenage pregnancy rates haven't fallen in the last 10 years, although overall numbers have fallen, due to lowere numbers of teenagers overall.

And often, by the time a teenager realises the true "consequences" of her "mistake", it will already be too late. Teenage pregnancy has to look less attractive as an option before t happens, not after.

CoteDAzur you can look in a dictionary and say oh the word child means..
but my ds is 17 and I can remember what he was like at 15, also his x was 15(a while back so she is older now) and she was a child, very vunerable.
so I still disagree.

"The paper couldn't have printed the story without her say so, afterall she is Maisie's mum and so must have given consent for her to have been photographed."

I believe that the whole media circus started without her knowing what she was letting herself in for, she is very vulnerable-not only through age but having just given birth-her parents should be protecting her and keeping her well away from the media.
I feel very sorry for her, she obviously comes from a dysfunctional family and the poor baby is already disadvantaged in life.
Some girls are perhaps mature, in some ways, at 15 yrs old. I certainly wasn't-I was very much a child. Even the mature ones need sensible, supportive parents
in that sort of situation.

REAL TALK SWEETAUDRINA!!!!!!!!

I dont think your entitiled to benefits until your 18 here they have a speical JSA but you have to be at least 17.

They also are not eligable to recieve a council housing until she is 16

I do believe they should recieve alot of support as a baby is involved in this.

Not that I pay taxes in the UK, but I would not want to be in the business of supporting teenage mums, who are going into this knowing full well that they don't have the means to bring up a child and hence will be welfare dependent for a long time, quite possibly all their lives.

And the sad part is that is considered a rather attractive lifestyle choice in some circles. Having a baby is the quickest and easiest way of being independent from your parents and having your own flat. Many teenage girls actually think that is an opportunity.

I'm not saying "Let's tar & feather teenage parents", but benefits need to be made far less attractive if UK's teenage pregnancy problem is to be tackled with any efficiency. Of course shelter should be offered, but what is wrong with a dormitory approach? Providing shelter does not have to be giving out independent homes for life.

Everyone feels sorry for the baby. Which is good, of course.

But if the baby turns out to act in the same way her mother has - as she is quite likely to, though it is not inevitable - at what point does the balance tip?

What is the pivotal moment when she changes, in the "popular" estimation, from object of pity, to object of scorn?

dittany - I haven't quoted Wikipedia, but if they say a child is someone between babyhood and puberty, I am not surprised. Because that is the generally accepted definition of the word "child". Except in legal terms where age is quoted.

I'm not saying a 15 year old is not 'vulnerable'. She probably is, just like a 16 year old is vulnerable as well. I am saying she is Not A Child.

Sorry but you can beat your drum all night and that fact is not changing.

Less crap about how motherhood is women's destiny would help, actually. More emphasis on things that women can do other than or as well as becoming mothers might encourage teenage girls to value their own lives more: as it is they are all fed the message that having a baby is wonderful, that 'career women' without children are selfish and wierd: when there seems to be nothing good in their futures, it is not that surprising that they think having a baby will be lovely.

Mind you, before all those of you who are so viciously small-minded about teenagers who have sex actually start frothing at the mouth, you might like to consider this/.
Or this.

It appears to be as soon as she gets pregnant and needs help, balloonslayer.

Given that none ofus here actually know the girl in question, I don't think we're in any position to say whether or not she is a "child" or not. She might be exceptionally mature - she might be very immature (or anything in between).

To me, she looks like a child playing at being a grown-up (in common with many others of her age). Pity she's in no position to stop this game when she gets bored.

"Right wing opinion"

That was a bit desperate. Try again.

Many children start pubity at 7, are you saying these 'children are not children.

puberty

We don't think teenagers are children (because they are teenagers, obviously) and yet we are bothered when some become parents.

The two are not mutually exclusive concepts.

In fact, children can't be mothers by definition. Because a child is someone who has not yet reached puberty.

We don't like teenagers getting pregnant because we expect them to further mature and hopefully support themselves financially before start having babies. This is a recent development in human history, by the way. As recently as a few centuries ago, 14-15 were perfectly normal ages to get married & have babies.