Daily Mail Bashing

[TheDrunkard2009]

I am a Guardian reader and hate the Daily

Mail, but FFS must have every fucking thread

I read bash someone's comment they don't

like and accuse them of being a DM reader.

It's getting fucking boring now, think up

something more original please, you're

obviously a bright bunch of women.

Thankyou

That's nice about the Economist. I like the Economist.

Is it the Observer that started having a monthly magazine called 'Woman' which was full of awful airhead fashion stuff? I found that highly insulting as a woman who is interested in things other than clothes and sex. Maybe that would count as misogynistic. Of course, it's no worse than all the other papers, but somehow I find it harder to forgive in the Observer/Guardian.

Sorry, I feel the need to point out that being right wing does not make you a racist or even a fascist. I am right wing but agree with Pruners post regarding the DM.

To find out how utterly vile it is you only have to read "Flat Earth News". Apart from anything else its standards of journalism suck.

The DM is a pile of shite and yes, I do judge people who read it on a daily basis. I think they are dim.

I also cannot stand that Observer Woman magazine and get high blood pressure whenever I spy it. Grrr.

I've never read the Economist but the Editor makes a good point about puff pieces. Thing is, I'm not sure I agree with him.

Our media is heading ever further down market and down the evolutionary scale as we speak, and I see no return to traditional journo values from any of them.

Celebs sell - even the heavy papers.

As for That Article, it's important to remember that most columnists are paid to be deliberately provocative, and may disagree entirely with the editorial policy of the paper.

I personally wasn't offended by the article but I'm not a mother and I suspect that's a big part of it. I didn't read the article as woman hating, I just thought it was a bit of a random selection of thoughts on motherhood, presented quite poorly and with little helpful conclusion.

Most columnists are guilty of this - taking one or two personal experiences and trying to present it as a trend. The Guardian employ quite a few poor columnists imo but none that openly preach hate in the manner of some DM staff.

Can't do it enough imo.

Oh sorry, was just responding to your thread title.

Very few dailies are worth reading these days. Apart maybe from Le Monde (although it is a little staid) and the New York Times (strict journalistic standards, delivered in exemplary fashion by journalists who actually know what they're talking about.) People say the FT is still governed by a code of ethics but I've never managed to get past the pink.

I'm getting pretty bored and sickened by most papers recently. Have read the Guardian for years, but (maybe it's a sign of my age?) it seems to have become more and more tabloidy over the past couple of years, and definitely dumbed-down.

Not sure about woman-bashing, but it has increasingly more 'articles' about showbiz, celebrities etc. Even though they're presented as tongue-in-cheek/cynical wit, still a handy excuse to print a picture of a 22-year old size 8 celebrity. At least the DM, Sun etc are honest about it. You pays your money, you takes your choice.

I also think Hadley fecking Freeman is singlehandedly responsible - cannot stand her, and am thinking of stopping buying it just because I can't stand to read her badly-written drivel any more.

Phew. Rant over.

Hadley is the devils daughter indeed but don't you love Jess Cartner-Morley?

She is my fashion icon and a great writer to boot. I have no problem with getting my news and my fashion from the same publication, and I think that's why the DM shifts in such alarmingly high numbers among women. It ticks all the boxes in terms of news and features.

MorrisZapp, yes I do like Jess C-M, she is a great writer. And I do like the fashion pages, both weekdays and weekends.

But what I object to is the fact that Hadly Freeman is everywhere in the paper, not just fashion. She seems to be the darling of the editor, and spouts her puerile rubbish on anything with the most nebulous of connections with fashion/showbiz/lowgrade culture. Even in a feature about Barack Obama ffs. If there was even a day where I didn't have to see her name I'd be happier to keep reading it.

Maybe it's the case of familiarity breeding contempt with most papers though?

No, I don't love Jess C-M. But then, I cannot get excited about fashion and don't get particularly excited about those who do.

I also met her once and she was a sour faced boot.

lol fattypuff, I hadn't noticed Hadley's stranglehold on the Guardian but I must admit I feel a similare ire towards Zoe Williams - 'journalist without portfolio'!

She appears all over the shop (parenting, women, radio, fashion) and has precisely zero interesting opinion to give on any of it. Her way of calling her partner and baby by their initials 'A was holding R the other night when my sister S came to visit' suggests her readers give far more of a fuck about these people than we actually do.

She jumped the shark with me when she wrote a comment piece saying that if you are walking home late at night and you see a bunch of teenagers in hoodies up ahead of you and you cross the road to avoid them, then you are racist.

Yes. You are racist. Because hoods are a symbol of black street culture and by saying you don't feel comfortable in their presence you are stating your racist fears.

BARF!

Hey, this is fun bashing the Guardian!

aw but that lovely (snort) woman in that Guardian article mentioned mumsnet! lmao the scales have fallen from my eyes, I now realise that showing an interest in my DC and talking about such a huge part of my life, especially with other mums makes me nauseating, thank God for judgemental reporters

Indeed, my parents are v. left wing but my mum likes the Mail on a sat - 'cos the telly guide is good!!!

I do like Jess C-M, by the way. My friend freelances for the Guardian and says she is fab!!

Ah, I'm afraid your Hadley-radar will be on full power now I've pointed out her omnipresence! My dislike has reached such heights that I now even check the byline for articles before I read them to check they aren't by her. God I am so glad this thread came up to allow me to vent my spleen on this

Actually I like Zoe Williams. Know what you mean about the initials thing, but you must admit she's a good and intelligent writer? I also met her once and she was really lovely.

Interesting to see that Jess Cartner-Morley is a sour puss!

Morris, I'm black and I take offence to what you said about Zoe's article. I think she's the most intellectually robust journo this country has and furthermore...oh, I can't keep up this drivel! . Fattipuffs, where you said "she's a good and intelligent writer" - I am and thrice more. Her writing is a hideous monstrosity.

Where you said the motherhood article was: "a bit of a random selection of thoughts on motherhood, presented quite poorly and with little helpful conclusion." I wholeheartedly agree!

Not keen on Jess C/M's work but that's because I'm not overexcited by fashion. I look like this. Surprised?

I must confess that I do like Hadders' letters page, though. Very witty. Not noticed her paintballing the whole paper, though, but then I don't get much chance to read anything...except my current book, on the relationship between science and religion. Impressed?

Sorry, paragraph two was Morris's quote, not Puffy's. (Fatal Grauniad-like factual error )

Fattypuff, I'm afraid I have to agree with Les Dawson about Zoe Williams' (in)ability to write. She couldn't present a coherent argument in favour of caramel flavoured jizz if you ask me.

But really, there's only only way to find out who is the best out of Jess CM, Zoe W and the lovely Hadders.

FIGHT!!!!!!

MrsSchmaltzy, really? We do have wholly different takes on these two writers!

It's not that I think Zoe Williams is the best writer in the paper, but I mostly enjoy her stuff in a non-committal way.

Whereas Hadley Freeman [gritted teeth and clenched fists emoticon] is just so flippinjg juevenile. I am honestly that you find that letters page witty! IMO it honestly could be written by a 15 year old. All that "y'know", "folks", and self-referencing crap. Grrr.

It really pisses me off that the Guardian (maybe in an attempt to get younger readers?) runs features which would be better placed in Now magazine.

Btw yes I am very impressed by your current book

Lol at "caramel flavour jizz"!

I reckon Zoe W would win any fight, she's from South London and is well 'ard. Jess would trip over on her platforms and jumpsuit, and Hadley would just be trying to think up juevenile witty one-liners about it.

I can see you are all happliy exploiting my thread

Oh, no Fatty (or is that Puffy?), Hadders is just doing a hokey-cokey tongue-in-cheek belly dance with you. It's her alter ego, a ludicrous exaggeration of folksy Americana. Try reading her stuff again with that voice. It'll change your life.

Oh, and, er...thanks!

Well, where did you bog off to, Drunkard? Pissed again?

Fattipuffs, you've hit the nail on the head. ZW is brawn, not brains. Gotcha!

Jess is my girl. She outclasses the lot on every front.

But whoever writes 'the measure' must be slowly dipped in acid. And no, it will not be caramel flavoured.

Bile flavoured, MorrisZapp?