to expect to use a disabled toilet when I'm out with the pram?

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I can't use the ladies when I have my baby with me in the pram. The only thing I can do is wheel him into the disabled toilet with me. But the disabled toilets have special locks on them, which presumably disabled people have special keys for. I appreciate that they want to stop able-bodied people hogging disabled toilets but what else can I do?

Very funny. Ha. Ha.

I think I might go the GF route and sue MN.

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that reminded me of when a boy call my house disabeld(it has disabled access) I had visions of a house in a wheelchair lol

Oh FGS get a grip, Cote.

Just don't grip the handrail in a toilet for the disabled.

PMSL fio

and cote

and thanks Wilf for a very articulate post which encompasses all I've been trying to say all day very elegantly

Didn't you realize that was humour/sarcasm, Soupy?

Get a grip.

disabled is fine imo, handicapped gets you slapped.

In France, it's still "handicapé".

Possibly why I don't see why it's so offensive in English.

Love the rhyming 2shoes. . Isn't it physically/mentally challenged or something?

no, never ever heard that, tobh most people just call dd by her name

cote I am in england not france.

I realize that, 2shoes. Just thought you might be interested to hear that it is the word in use here and doesn't seem to offend anyone.

Coming a bit late to this thread as it's so bloody long and I wanted to read all of it.

I am utterly gobsmacked by those of you who are unable to take a pee with a baby on your knee, or undo your jeans holding onto a baby. It's not that hard, you know.

Can't get your side by side buggy through the main door? Well why didn't you think of that before you bought it? Excepting these who bought before P&Ts were an option, of course. Why do you think they are so popular? Because you can actually get places with them, unlike side by side buggies. I would have access to only one loo (M&S) in my town with a side by side, and I worked that out before I chose what to buy. It's called forward planning.

I have an "invisible" need to use disabled loos from time to time as I have a colostomy. This means my poo collects in a bag on my tummy. Mostly it's fine and I can just empty it in a normal loo but sometimes things go a little awry and I need a major clean-up. I've only twice had dirty looks from people as I left a disabled loo. Both times were from mums with buggies. I smiled broadly back both times. After reading the weedy comments on this thread I'll hoist up my dress and flash my poo bag at the next complainer. My problems don't come anywhere near those of many users of disabled loos but I can tell you I still panic if my bag's popping around and I have to wait to get in.

Oh, I even have a free radar key.

FWIW, I'm not sure I could do my jeans up whilst holiding my baby. He's a year old and not walking yet, and so heavy I have problems just carrying him, let alone trying to zip my jeans up with him on my hip.

But that's neither here nor there I suppose.

I never felt the need to use disabled toilets until recently. Ds has SN and I've always taken him into the ladies with me and it's only now that he's almost 9 that I've felt that's no longer appropriate and have got him a RADAR key. Dd is 4 years older than ds and in all those years before he was born I never once set foot in a disabled toilet. I also used to suffer badly from IBS.

I've been to the toilet while holding a tiny baby, I've changed babies and toddlers on my lap while sitting on a toilet seat, I've taken a folding changing mat out with me so I've got somewhere clean if I have to lie the baby on the floor (just thrown it in washing machine later), surely it's not so difficult? I've done all these things with a severely autistic toddler as well as an NT one and it's not occurred to me that I shouldn't be able to manage.

To answer an earlier question, if we are out and I need to use the toilet then nowadays I use the disabled one because I have to keep ds very close or he would be gone in a flash and as I said we are starting to get 'looks' if I take him in the ladies (and little girls shouting loudly "there's a boy in here").

Thingone- Not everyone can afford a P&T they are a high end pram.

and 2nd when your child in say 10/11 that is wriggling and want to get on the floor but you can't let them beause its filthy and they cant yet walk or stand unaided for a period of time. Holding them with one hand whilst doing up your trousers, whiping yourself. grabbing your bag coat whatever, is a big PITA.

I really don't see a problem disabled toilets shouldn't have changing facilies if they didn't want women with babies/buggies to use them.

Can i just ask would you lot against able bodied people using disabled toilets. Use the changing facilities for your baby, then you yourself needing the toilet also go to a regular toilet, instead of going whilst already in the disabled toilet?

www.engadget.com/2006/08/30/the-babykeeper-toilet-training-with-visual-aids/

Couldn't resist linking this. It was in the first ever Mumsnet thread I ever read

that should be 10/11 months not just 10/11. Sorry the grammer was awful and badly worded was talking to dp whilst typing.

You're gobsmacked that people can't undo their jeans holding onto a baby?! I have been resisting saying this but why the fuck should I hold a baby over my stream of piss? Like I said, I stick mine outside the door in his buggy but he couldn't stand until he was over a year and I had no intention of holding a 10kg baby while trying to dress and undress myself.

FGS - why are women such bloody martyrs? We have one thread on here today which is about an article about how the world has become hugely child-centric yet most of us can't even go for a wee in a public place while keeping our children safe without getting streams of abuse from other women.

Jesus wept. Who needs misogynist men when women will tear each other into little pieces.

Yes, using a disabled toilet when you don't need it is awful. But we should be bemoaning the lack of facilities, not slagging one another off!

This subject has taken enough of my time today. I will leave the indignant mob to carry on

So disabled toilets shouldn't have changing facilities? Is a wheelchair user not entitled to have somewhere to change their baby too?

that should be wiping not whipping lol that would be really weird!

So many spellinmg mistakes and typos blame dh.

Obviously she meant the only changing facilities shouldn't be in disabled toilets if non-disableds are never supposed to set foot in there.

Here's an idea: everyone join this campaign since we're all pretty much in agreement facilities for both disabled people and their carers, and small children and their carers are shit.

Except for those people who think 'of course you can change your baby/babies/hold on to your toddler while changing your baby/eat your dinner/change your mooncup/wipe your arse/open your tampon with one hand: I fecking did'.

This is not a strong argument full stop. Everyone has the right to privacy and dignity on the bog, and the decide for themselves how to keep their kids safe. That disabled people and carers have had to make this point particularly vociferously should not be lost on the able-bodied. And it clearly is for the fucking nutters who abuse radar keys.

But please, give up with the 'it was shit for me, therefore it must be shit for you' stuff.

yes but if the disabled toilets are the only changing facilities? what then?