to wish I hadn't given son the MMR?

[hytter]

I read everything, spoke to everyone, felt like I was doing the right thing, now 1 week later he has a temp of 40.3, been sleeping for 2 days, crying, unhappy, moody, cross etc etc.

I am exhusted, worried he may "regress" like I kept reading..........what have I done......

yes if you want a tetanus jab you have to have DTP.

No dilly they are NOT licensed. Please brush up on your knowledge if you are a school nurse! They are imported and safe and used privately but single vaccines NOT licensed in UK!!

So the bottom line here is that to protect unborn children, pregnant women, elderly.............. it is best if a population becomes immune by vaccination, by routine vaccination, which was what we said hours ago!
Night all.

Ruty if they were not licenced then the BMC would bann their use in private clinics as well. They may not be produced in the UK but they are still licenced.

ummmmmmm was starting to feel left out by all you pros anyway......night all....

you are wrong dilly. Again. Please brush up your knowledge.

and it is licensed.

Since all Drs are accountable to the same professional body any drug with the exception of those on trial with relevant permission, must be licenced for use.

thanks - so privately a single rubella jab is still available?

here dilly ''The single MMR vaccines are unlicensed, what does this mean?

Many paediatric drugs and vaccines currently used in the NHS are also, unlicensed. Unlicensed simply means that they are not licensed for production in this country but they are licensed in many other European countries. They do have to comply with all stringent requirements of the MHRA before they can be imported in to the UK. They also have to be requested on 'a named patient basis' and as such a clinical indication is needed for each child who receives the vaccine.''

From Bupa website

''Single vaccines are not licensed in the UK, and have not passed the UK's safety and effectiveness testing. ''

ruty, before signing of for the night, why do the USA canada and japan all vaccinate against CP then?

yes lisalisa, single rubella jab still available privately.

www.jabs.org.uk have a list of clinics that offer it.

Cost marypoppins, cost to the economy, parents taking time off work to look after ill children.

Dilly that's incorrect, lots of drugs are used 'off licence', especially in paediatrics and for prophylaxis.

here is NHS reasons why chickenpox vaccine not routinely given

Thanks but I'm wondering if the shingles concern is the real concern or more that they don't want parents to be even more unwilling to give the MMRV. You could also say the UK don't want the cost of vaccinating???

well we introducing new vaccines all the time [meningitis vaccines especially] I think you do have to weigh up cost against effectiveness/actual seriousness of disease for most of population when you work in public health.

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well I think my mind is made up and I'm now off to bed.

Sidge a drug being used 'off license' is not the same as being unlicensed. The former means the drug is licensed for a particular purpose but it has been found that it has side effects which can treat other ailments for which trials have not been carried out and thus the drug is not licensed for that purpose. Being unlicensed is completely different and a term used for drugs for which trials have either not been done for an adequate period or they have been found to be detrimental to health and are withdrawn. Many drugs are used 'off license with a patients permission. However, unless a patient has consented to being a clinical trial subject, they are not given unlicensed drugs. Drugs being used off license have also usually undergone extensive trials for safety and thus the only question is efficacy for purpose. An ^unlicensed drug however is a step into the unknown for safety and efficacy.

so what are you saying about single vaccines dilly? Answer to Sidge if you like. Are you saying they are 'off licence' 'unlicensed' or licensed in the UK?

You have been quick to call certain people here 'brainless' when you, as a school nurse, should really know which vaccines you are giving teenage girls at your school btw.

I'm not a school nurse ruty, I went for an interview as a HV to train and part of the process was to research the innovations in school nursing and give a presentation to the panel with 2 days prep . I have already admitted I got the rubella confused with the HPV vaccine at age 14. However, I do recall that until MMR was introduced it was standard practice, because of MMR it is now deemed unnecessary.

what are you saying about single vaccines?

www.childrensimmunisation.com/html/rubella.htm
this link will take you to Harley street clinic information. Read the Rubella bit and it states it is licensed by the WHO, since the UK follows their guidance where practical and it is licensed for UK use.

'MMR single vaccinations are manufactured in the USA, France and India. All mmr single vaccinations are approved by the World Health Organisation (WHO), and mmr single vaccinations have a specific import licence granted by the Medicines Health Regulatory Agency (MHRA), the body that maintains strict control on the use of medicines and vaccines in the UK.'