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to think that teachers are allowed to actually have a life

243 replies

stillenacht · 17/12/2008 20:49

Another post is getting on my nerves a bit - i hate the fact that because of our jobs (vocation whatever...) we have to be society's keepers and society's bitch. It truly pisses me off.

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twinsetiscrapatflouncing · 19/12/2008 19:10

I am probably at he harsh end of discipline and standards for teachers and willingly take on a lot of responsibility but think the ideas in that BBC link are ridiculous.

Heated · 19/12/2008 19:13

see my Fri 19-Dec-08 13:44:05 post

Blandmum · 19/12/2008 19:16

dd has teachers who have been exceptional in their care for her in helping her to cope with her father's death.

I don't care if they get shit faced every weekend, they have been life saves to me, and her.

Prigish, arsy cobblers

All this will do is generate faceless, bland clones too terrified to step outside the 'norm' teachers. What about passion? Love of life?

My biology teacher is now an alcoholic. She is a very sad lady. But that woman changed my life for ever and I owe her more than I can ever say!

stillenacht · 19/12/2008 19:21

Thats exactly it - MB i see sooo many clone teachers nowadays - my music teacher was a grumpy old bugger who was irreverent and sarcastic and very very sharp - and i loved him for his passion for his subject, his drive and energy...was thinking today that i really am turning into him - yay!

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piscesmoon · 19/12/2008 19:28

Surely teachers should live, work and breathe teaching and sleep in a cupboard at night!

It was much better when they were free to be complete oddities or whatever! My brother went to a school reunion last month, and old teachers (long retired)were chatting fondly and happily to their ex pupils, they were all chuckling away over incidents that I expect would get them struck off today!

twinsetiscrapatflouncing · 19/12/2008 19:31

I think you can have high standards of personal conduct and not be a clone. I can assure you I am in no way a clone and am full of passion.

I do agree though that you cannot exercise that amount of control over teachers, I would not however choose to get drunk somewhere where I would be likely to meet one of my pupils. I also avoid the town centre that I know my students go to because I would feel on duty. I used to love up the road from my school and used to feel constantly as if I were on duty or being watched, I would not live so close to school again.

I do think there is a wider issue about why teachers in some schools get so drunk. I have spent many of my years in very tough school and there was a culture of getting very very pissed on a Friday night and behaving in ways that are quite shocking because of that stress that working in such as school creates. Perhaps if the issues that caused the stress were addressed teachers would drink less.

piscesmoon · 19/12/2008 19:35

I think most teachers avoid their pupils when out of school.

twinsetiscrapatflouncing · 19/12/2008 19:35

I used to work with someone who was not a teacher but worked in a pastoral role with the kids and she was always out in town on a Saturday night getting pissed, all the kids knew she did it and often they saw her. She has a facebook account full of pictures of her pissed that the kids see. This behaviour IMO did detract from what little professionality she did have. I thought she was an awful role model for our young people.

twinsetiscrapatflouncing · 19/12/2008 19:36

Clearly I meant live up the road from my school and not love up the road!

Ineedmorechocolatenow · 19/12/2008 19:47

I can't believe that fecking article! WTF? What about all the other people who are potential role-models to kids? Professional footballers? So-called celebrities?

When you are desperate for decent bloody people to go into the profession and then you are making them sign this piece of shit....

Glad I didn't pay my GTC subscription this year....

P.S. Quite obviously I would be sacked for using such appalling language in the future . Good job I'm leaving the profession permanently in 2009....

stillenacht · 19/12/2008 19:50

(whoops don't think i have ever paid mine....)

Are you really leaving teaching?

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cory · 19/12/2008 19:53

Help! As a parent, and hence the most important role model for my dcs- how do I prove abstinence? And what happens if I don't?

Reallytired · 19/12/2008 19:57

I think that the BBC article is ridiculous, where are we going to find all these saintly teachers from.

Are school staff going to be banned from going down the pub on the last day of term. I think the teachers at the school I work at would resign en mass if that was the case.

treedelivery · 19/12/2008 19:58

YANBU

Lots of people haven't really stopped believing that teachers live at school and have no homes, like we did as kids. Also lots of parents really believe their child is the most important one on the planet, having no acceptance on the need for other people to live their lives their way.

This may seem a scathing view of us parents - I don't wish to offend - but it's my view.

Ineedmorechocolatenow · 19/12/2008 20:04

Yup stillenacht, to be a SAHM. I left my teaching job last year (to look after DS more-or-less full-time) and do a day a week supply-teaching until Easter to help make ends meet before my new baby arrives in June. Then I hope to be a mum full-time until the littlest one is in school full-time.

I'm still passionate about it as a job, and I fully intend to return at some point in the next ten years or so, but not for now. I wanted to teach from about the age of 14 so have never really wanted to do anything else (until I became a mum ).

stillenacht · 19/12/2008 20:06

Enjoy Ineedmorechocolatenow!

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Ineedmorechocolatenow · 19/12/2008 20:07

Thanks stillnacht x

cory · 19/12/2008 20:08

Let me see....my old French teacher was rumoured to drink heavily in his leisure hours but had us all fluent in the irregular verbs- dd's history teacher is as far as I know a paragon of virtue but teaches them about the Middle Ages out of Horrible Histories (in Year 7!)... which would I rather let loose on my child's education?

OhLITTLEFISHofBethlehem · 19/12/2008 20:35

What a load of crap.

Will the same code be introduced for footballers and celebrities? In my experience, they are the role models that children emulate.

treedelivery · 19/12/2008 20:36

My upper school was like something from a Rohl Dahl. We had a high teenage pregnancy rate, but also got council house types [i.e. me!] to uni despite having every card stacked against us.
Head Mistres had black fingers from the 1000 a day she smoked. She looked a bit like Keith Richards. She knew every one of us by name, our grades [or due date as appropriate] and what we were planning on doing. She remembered my friend, me and few others, our grades and wher we studied our degree's and what in, 10 years later in Asda.

Music teacher had warts and a liking for 6 formers. Occasionally found drunk outside their houses demanding various rude things.

The media type teachers were clearly having flirtations with a couple of 5th form twins. Twins like other twins it seems!

Our RE teacher was a man from the 70's who had PH from Oxford and a mean beige flared suit. He knew everything about the middle East and made us want to fly out to save it all.

The other RE teacher told us the rythm methos worked [to a class of 14 year olds. 1 of which was about 20 weeks]

The women were mostly chasing the men and smoking and drinking and trying to get laid.

But then they were in early 30's and having a good time, and weren't going to let of Catholic pious school girls stop them!! Hurrah!!

It was an amazing place full of the most diverse individual approaches to living life - I totally loved it and gloried in the idea that it just takes all sorts! That school made me broad minded, non judgemental and full of respect for the role of leader, mentor, teacher, guide - as they were all there in various forms.

It's desperate that this bland society wants automatic robots to spend the quality waking hours [such as school days seem to me] withour DC's. I want personalities, lovers of life and knowledge filled humans to teach my dc's!! And I'll take them with hangovers!

treedelivery · 19/12/2008 20:37

excuse all grammer and spelling - head mashed after nights!

OhLITTLEFISHofBethlehem · 19/12/2008 20:42

Lovely post treedelivery.

Great phrase...

"It's desperate that this bland society wants automatic robots to spend the quality waking hours [such as school days seem to me] with our DC's. I want personalities, lovers of life and knowledge filled humans to teach my dc's!! And I'll take them with hangovers!"

ScottishMummy · 19/12/2008 20:50

well lets see when politicians can stop being dirty money grabbing shaggers associated with financial impropriety and backhanders then maybe they can consider other professionals behaviours

that should take a while though

fatzak · 19/12/2008 20:54

I was amazed at the end of today when I picked up DS from Year 1 that not one of the parents wished his teacher a Merry Christmas or thanked her for her help this term. I suppose that as a teacher I know just how hard she has worked (she's an NQT as well so her first term will have been even harder) but I was really surprised. Perhaps they spoke to her this morning but I was very for her.

twinsetiscrapatflouncing · 19/12/2008 20:57

"It's desperate that this bland society wants automatic robots to spend the quality waking hours [such as school days seem to me] with our DC's. I want personalities, lovers of life and knowledge filled humans to teach my dc's!! And I'll take them with hangovers!"

There is a happy medium you know, I am not a robot but would never smoke or get pissed where kids could see me and would not teach with a hangover