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To think that people seem to think that a birth is only traumatic if it ends in an emergency c-section??

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anyoneelsedonethis · 26/11/2008 21:01

I have massive sympathy for women who end up with em c-s after attempting natural birth.

Am I wrong in thinking though that unless you end up with an emcs people just dismiss your birth as non-difficult/traumatic???

Some people end up with horrible ventouse/forceps/tearing experiences but no-one really seems to give much sympathy for these. That is wrong I think.

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PeachyAndTheSucklingBas · 27/11/2008 11:39

Anything that causes trauma to Mum is traumatic.

I didn't have stitches, forceps, C-s.... but it was traumatic (ds1) because it was an emergency induction with full blown exlampsia and I had become very ill indeed.

Whereas ds2- 44 hr labour, all fine not a problem.

DS3 Ok

ds4 everything though went so quick that though technically easy I found it by far thehardest in terms of pain levels. but it would be wrong to go on about that as other people have far, far worse.

orangehead · 27/11/2008 12:05

I have never met anyone who thinks that a c section is more traumatic. More the opposite actually. I had a emergency section after a long labour, it was very traumatic when I was told after 2 hours pushing that they needed to get the baby out now and he might not make it. I then watched in sheer panic as they pressed the alarm and people came rushing in all rushing around and literally ran me to threatre and they put me out. I had no idea if ds1 would be alive or not when I woke up. Thankfully he was ok. Those last few moments before thay put me out and the panic on the docotors face haunted me and gave me nightmares and flashbacks for a long time. My birth with ds2 was a painful traumatic forceps delievery which lead to huge blood loss and I passed out as they dragged him out with forceps. Although traumatic it didnt have the same effect on me as my first. But it wasnt the c section that made it more traumatic. It was a combination of thinking my baby was going to die and it being my first, it was a shock to how badly things could go wrong with my second I was prepared for thing going wrong again.
Any birth can be traumatic and all women deserve support no matter how they give birth

Flightattendant4 · 27/11/2008 13:08

So what did happen to the OP?

chloemegjess · 27/11/2008 13:12

I didnt even need "intervention" as such. BUT I still had a tramatic birth and I am having really probems facing the fact that I have to do it again very soon. And Yes I do feel that nobody really gives any sympathy because unless I spend an hour telling all the details it doesn't sound that bad. Because there was nothing specific I "had" except a very long labour that went completely off plan etc

prettybutterfly · 27/11/2008 13:22

I think having a baby come out of your body is totally gobsmacking, however it happens. It's not a trivial thing, is it?

Some women have no end of awful and/or dangerous complications to what is already pretty traumatic really, especially for a first time mum.

NuttyTaff · 27/11/2008 13:28

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kitstwins · 27/11/2008 13:28

Totally agree with orangehead - "any birth can be traumatic and all women deserve support no matter how they give birth".

My personal view is that the method of delivery, like all things relating to pregnancy, birth, motherhood, etc. can get mired down by a stealth competitiveness. A lot of the time this can be innate - a personal sense of guilt at not measuring up to the ideal of pregnancy ("I didn't put on any weight"), childbirth ("I gave birth drugs-free by candelight to quads and didn't tear AND was in my pre-pregnancy jeans three days later..."), to motherhood ("I exclusively breastfed/organically weaned/stayed at home/went back to worklll...etc., etc."). I think we all have an ideal in our heads and, for many of us, if we don't attain those ideals then the guilt can be consuming. I'm not saying everyone is this way, but lots are.

We all try to acheive the birth that feels right for us, whether that's at home in a pool or by elective section and all the variables in between, but often the experience falls short, usually for reasons beyond our control (mother nature, luck, chance, medicine). So it's not surprising that many of us can feel 'cheated' by our experience of birth. And equally, can feel sensitive to the lack of support and empathy with what we've endured. A natural delivery can be very brutal and traumatic - far more so than a straightforward section - but equally a c section can be gruelling and grisly and heart-stoppingly awful and something that takes years to reoover from (I'm still getting over mine...). And whilst someone who has been traumatised by a vaginal delivery can feel overlooked 'as they didn't have a caesarean' a woman recovering from a caesarean can feel equally traumatised and let down by people's perceptions of her delivery ('the easy way out').

When I had my caesarean it was glossed over. "Never mind", friends told me, as if I'd missed out on the secrets to life. Perhaps that WAS just my perception and over-sensitivity on my part but I do recall being saddened when a friend who gave birth two weeks later with no pain relief was hailed as "superwoman" and given all manner of congratulations. And they all sat there discussing the pain (and the ecstasy when it stopped!) whilst I struggled with sitting up straight.

It's so personal and the way to look at it, I think, is to understand that most of us can end up feeling disappointed or traumatised by our birth. Not through unrealistic expectations (mine was to see my children being born and to recover well - neither of which happened) but often because the human body and childbirth is unpredictable and influenced by all manner of external factors beyond our control. And so the aftermath of childbirth is often a confusing time of hormones, sleep deprivation combined with the possibility of a very real sense of disappointment and/or trauma and that can be hard and can take time to process.

Support one another and be kind in our choices. We're all aiming for the same thing - to give birth to healthy babies in a safe and cared-for manner - and it shouldn't be a competition. And understand that perceptions of trauma can be very real to an individual and should be supported - not discounted as a ghoulish exercise in birthing pain one-upmanship.

K

onthewarpath · 27/11/2008 13:40

Orangehead I do agree with you. I had 4 children and thankfully not to many complications. DD1's birth was traumatic because the MW was not listening to me at all and really not taking me seriously. DS2 was very uncomplicated but I was on my own ( well with MW but no familiar face) so emmotionally it was not great, DD3'heartbeat was on and off, I was preped for ECS which was eventually not needed (I found the things they inserted in my hand horrible and was happy not to actually have to go through the cs, on my own again but by that time much more confident as I new what I was letting myself in for. DD4 was an express delivery that I could wish on anyone. Giving birth is a very tiring phisical thing but I found the emmotions surrounding it were by far harder to cope with at times.Definitely no regrets though as the important is that at the end of it,(does not matter if we pushed or not) we have our lovely Dcs and that is really when the fun starts...or is it

all the best to all the future mums close to their due date. whateer happens you are unlikly to forget about it!

onthewarpath · 27/11/2008 13:44

sorry, just checked my spelling I do appologise.

Nicdigby · 27/11/2008 14:43

I always wonder why everyone has to stress the "emergency" part of emergency c-section. Why not just say you had to have a c-section? 35% of all births are c-section; there's only a few surely which are true emergency situations??

I had a ventouse because my baby's heart rate was dropping and they had to get him out, but I couldn't have a c-section due to all my previous scar tissue in the region. But a ventouse got him out nice and quickly and safely whereas with most women they would have suggested a EMC.

It does make me wonder how many so called emergency c sections are true medical emergencies.

wasabipeanut · 27/11/2008 14:59

I had an em-cs but don't feel that people were more sympathetic to me than they would have been had ds not come out of the sun roof.

Most of my friends that haven't had kids said something along the lines of "oh well at least you aren't all stretched down there" (I know, I know) and everyone else said "well the important thing is that you are both ok." Which indeed it is.

Our of my NCT group, 3 out of 6 had forcep interventions (they do seem to love them at our local hospital) and I believe me the sympathy is all out there. Either way I suspect we took a similar time to recover physically - the only difference was I could sit down without it hurting but not get into that position myself!

A few months ago I was still angry about the way my delivery ended up - I find myself caring less and less now. Time heals a lot I think.

ohIdoliketobebesidethe · 27/11/2008 14:59

Kitstwins - that is a lovely post.

CountessDracula · 27/11/2008 15:01

God really?

If my birth had ended with the emergency c-section I would have been delighted.

It was the 12 hours after that did for me

I have sympathy for all women who are traumatised in any way by birth. Regardless of how they gave birth

StarlightMcKenzie · 27/11/2008 15:08

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kitstwins · 27/11/2008 15:11

nicdigby isn't this just another example of undermining someone's experience of a c section though? As if people are deliberately over-egging the experience to get sympathy votes. Calling a section an 'emergency' just to make it sound more dramatic. Do you really think people do this? I would imagine most people stress the 'emergency' because it helps makes the distinction (to others perhaps?) that the delivery was out of their control, not their choice, the safest option, possibly life-saving.

If you're looking for a definition rather than making a dig then I guess an emergency c section is one that is unscheduled and within that are several variants. A 'crash' would be running down the corridor, crash theatre team, rush, general anaesthetic (not time for epidural or spinal block pain relief) and a race against time. When doctors have minutes, sometimes seconds to get a baby out. This is rare - usually in the case of extreme foetal distress, placental abruption, haemorrhage, etc. Other times you'll have a rush, but probably time for an epidural (or top up if one is already in place), where leaving a baby to deliver vaginally would carry great risk to mother or baby or both.

I always knew I'd have to have a caesarean (twins, placenta praevia, recurrant bleeds) and mine was scheduled for 36 weeks after a month in hospital on bed rest. However, when I had a whopper bleed at 35 weeks and went into labour (and carried on bleeding) it was brought forward. Still classed as an 'emergency' on my notes, although there was no corridor rush (although there was a general anaesthetic as they screwed up my epidural and ran out of options). And probably because if I'd attempted a vaginal delivery I'd have risked uncontrollable blood loss due to the unstable placenta of twin one, and that could have been disastrous for my babies and possibly me.

I class my section as an emergency - not because I want sympathy or feel the need to over-dramatise the events of the day - but because it was the only option for safe delivery. And perhaps because I feel the need to make the distinction that what happened to me was somehow out of my control, not my choice. And if that says more about my own feelings of inadequacy then so be it. My birth, my trauma, my emergency. Each to their own. If the sematics bother you then argue the cause with the surgeons and consultants rather than the women it happens to.

You've touched a nerve - I'm not sure if you meant to or not.

CountessDracula · 27/11/2008 15:15

nicdigby
therer are two types of csection
Scheduled and emergency

Scheduled is planned in advance
Emergency is not

ohIdoliketobebesidethe · 27/11/2008 15:23

I had c section for placenta praevia. Like Kitstwins it was done as a life saving procedure. It was elective though. To me an "emergency section" means you've had to put up with the pain of labour as well and deserve extra sympathy for that.

wickedwitch81 · 27/11/2008 15:55

I had an emcs in aug as i was 2 weeks late, induction had failed and my baby didn't progress (she was 9lb 8oz) .
When people ask me how the birth was i say it was an emcs - not to get sympathy, but because it wasn't planned and it was the safest way of getting ,my baby out... When i was up on the ward i was in a room by myself (didn't ask for it) but the midwives basically left me too it to look after my baby and it was a struggle because i was laid up in bed and couldn't get out of bed (thank goodness for electronic beds), so i wasn't looked after any different than a lady who had a "normal" birth.

Oblomov · 27/11/2008 16:11

I had an emcs, 4 weeks ago.
It was great.
I was dilated and pushing, then trace lost.
It was all quite calm, considering.
I feel really happy about my 'birth experience'.

My next door neighbour, I popped into see her toay. She was induced. Horrific. Terrible pain. beeged for cs, but refused. Ended up natual. But she is clearly traumatised.

So in answer to q, no all sorts of births can require sympathy. not just emcs. often, others are worse.

Oblomov · 27/11/2008 16:14

Flight , are you o.k.
what is going on with OP ?

orangehead · 27/11/2008 16:21

nicdigby, I think people who have an emergency cs call it that because that it was it is was and what is called. I dont think they are trying to dramatize it but say it how it was. It sounds as if you are saying that they is a choice between ventose delievery and a section. This is not so, when ds1 first started getting distressed they tried a ventose for nearly a hour but it did not work. Meanwhile he got worse and it was an emergency situation. They told me at the time he might not make it. With ds2 when he started to get distressed they said they would try forceps but if that didnt work they would have to go for a section, they took me to threatre for the forceps delievery so they could go straight to a section if neccessary. Im glad a ventose worked for your son quickly and safely. But this is not always the case for all women

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babylovesmilk · 27/11/2008 17:53

I have never actually thought that only women that have had emcs have had a hard time. I had a very long labour with DC1, was hellish and certainly not what i would describe as natural. I had an episomtomy (sp?) and was still in pain months later.

TheCrackFox · 27/11/2008 17:56

Episiotomies are the work of the devil.

2shoes · 27/11/2008 18:04

episomtomy...... is that where a doctor sticks a needle in your privates then says "I will cut you with my knife?"

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