to think that Billy Bob and Zak Make a Porno (or whatever their names are) is quite an offensive title?

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Saw this advertised in huge letters on the side of a bus today, and thought it quite offensive. Am I getting old?

"god help the girls (and that'll be our daughters if we don't watch out)" and "force my kids to engage with the porn industry"

sounds pretty ominious to me.suggesting omnipotent porn industy corrupting the children

It's been said a million times, but the analogy with drugs is pretty close. Even the apparently harmless end of the drugs trade belongs to a web which, at the far end, is hideous. Same with porn/sex industry (the far end being the slavery extension of trafficking). And, very similarly, you do all you can to ensure your child's life isn't damaged by, in this case, drugs/porn, and sometimes whatever you've managed to do isn't enough. And it's not your fault as a parent, it's something much more pervasive at fault, and something we're entitled to think about when & where our children have to deal with it.

And as to the documentary about "some women really enjoy it donchaknow", well I'm perfectly sure some do, but don't you realise there wouldn't even be a story worth making an exciting documentary about if the reality weren't a lot grimmer? (For parallel: Who'd make an exciting mould-breaking documentary about how you didn't realise skiers really love skiing?)

What a bag of shit. The porn industary has been around longer than some of us. Well me I am 24 I would never let a man degrade me regardless if he saw it in a porn movie. My Mother taught me to respect my body and I will teach the same to my children.

It's a matter of choice I for one would not let a man degrade me or my body end of.

If these women want to be porn stars good luck to them. It has no effect on my life.

I am more worried about knife crime and drug influences that has more of a chance of effecting my children than a stupid advert with the word porn in it.

Ar Pingping, there lies the story,only, 24 years. Not everyone is as lucky as you. I didn't used to think very its was such a bad thing until I worked a Vice. I am now going to name change. I had colleagues who couldn't have straight sex with their partners after dealing with the people we dealt with and had to come off the team. I couldn't do it any more it's heart breaking. I have a colleague/friend who deals with women who are brought into the UK for the sex trade. You wouldn't want to hear about his work. Nor should you, the public sometimes need to be protected. I did know some happy hookers but very few. Good bye and farewell

Starbear we are talking about the word porn being on a bus.

Yes, at the start but it has moved on since then. My son will be taught to respect women. As an individual he might not do as I say, he might rebel. I don't want porn to be part of his everyday language. I know at 14 he'll have magazines under the bed but until then I don't want to explain that stuff now.
AND I do want to protect naive women from getting into a trade they know nothing about.
I have to go now honest.

pingping - my 5 yr old could easily read that poster and I don't want to be put in the position of explaining it to him. I also found it quite offensive because of the word "porno" which, as someone else pointed out, makes it sound like something fun and trivial, which it certainly isn't.

Dittany read what scottish Mummy has said you all said that you can't teach your children these things but now you can.

Bad parenting then if you don't teach your children to respect there bodies and other people.

Did you not see the website where you can make a porno with Zaxk and Miri??? I think you should watch the film before you judge it.

I am sorry that some people get dragged into the porn business but hey some people will do anything for money people like Jodie Marsh Katie Price Pamela Anderson Paris Hilton thrive on using there sex to get what they want, and maybe if they didn't make it look so glamous young girls wouldn't want to do it.

Dittany when I go home I will watch the rest of the video.

I am sure that both men and women both get a bit excited with porn and try it with there partners or whatever.

Porn don't do it for me at all in fact it the one time I watched it it made me throw up.

These women in the porn buisness do choose to be in it every day porn films not the dodgy ones and everyone makes there own choices.

pingping, I agree with you 100%. I am twice your age and discuss any questions (however embarrassing they may be to me) with my children.
dittany a) of course parents aren't the only influence on children especially their own. This sounds like you are padding your arguments. Parents are the MAIN influence and strongest influence though.
b) choice has almost everything to do with the porn industry but not the prostitution, pimping and drug abuse, rape and sexual abuse of say runaways....that still goes back to the parenting though wouldn't you say?
One of the reasons why girls in porn are so young (not child porn either which is illegal worldwide and rather falls under the second description of prostitution etc.) is that younger women look better than older women. Same with men. You get older and your body naturally sags. You have children or a bear gut and you can't keep up the stamina needed for sex (either in an industry or the private bedroom for that matter). That is just human physiology.
Porn sells. It is also not just the females who make money at it. Ron Jeremy (who I don't find handsome at all) has made a tidy sum just by modeling his member for women to buy as "toys". No one forces them to, but he is rather well endowed. That is his trademark.
There are several women examples that have made fortunes by pushing the sex ticket. Britney Speares of course and she is tryng to regain her fame. Angelina Jolie...she ditched Billy Bob but she was just as guilty of carrying blood viles (this was a public display) between the two and she LIKES pain. She has a monk tatoo on her shoulder that was put on by hammer and nails.
Again, these women seek this out not because they are naive or tortured but because they are making money and know exactly how to manipulate society to do so.

again, it's time to run off and be the strong parental influence on my own children. Have a great day ladies and don't let the porn industry snatch your children from your apron strings.

Wehaveallbeenthere thinks Angelina Jolie is in any way a typical example of the porn industry?

LOL wehaveallbeenthere

Dittany again I am more worried about my children being involved in Knife crime and drugs the chances are higher than them becoming a pornstar or letting men abuse there bodies.

As our childrens parents we can guide our kids in the right direction and make sure they are not influenced to make porn films

"Angelina Jolie...she ditched Billy Bob but she was just as guilty of carrying blood viles (this was a public display) between the two and she LIKES pain. She has a monk tatoo on her shoulder that was put on by hammer and nails."

wtf do you mean "guilty of" she didn't do anything wrong. how she conducts herself in a relationship is nothing to do with anyone else.
and what does her tattoo have to do with anything?i got a tattoo put on with with hammer and bamboo. i really can't see the relevance of that post

/www.thefreedictionary.com/porn

Unless you use "porn" in the very strictest sense...her tatoo does apply. Angelina Jolie made this very public knowledge and it is common knowledge that she finds "pain" as sexual.
The trading blood would be private except that again publicly she and Billy Bob made it public knowledge. They flashed them around to the cameras...also talking about how many times they had sex while on the way to the awards.
If you want to talk about influence then surely you can't just throw one example out there and excuse another example just because you like one above the other. Or maybe you can. I suppose it just depends on what you wish to hear or believe and what your opinion is over someone elses.
On that I'm out.

WHABT - if you like you can class Angelina Jolie as part of the porn industry on the grounds that part of the appeal that she sells is her sexuality. Most people would probably disagree but it's a point of view. However, she would be so utterly, utterly atypical of that industry due to her wealth and, essentially, power, that she doesn't do a thing to disprove Dittany's point that a large proportion of the women working in the industry are being abused and are not working in it through choice.

Johnny Rotten once said about swear words that they are only words. I agreed with him then, but I disagree with him now. Words convey a thousand meanings.

It's not the word that people have the problem with, it's the meaning behind it.

I wouldn't like to have to explain to my dd what porn means. And for those who think they can get away with saying that it's a film made for adults, are you sure you have children? Do you really think your child would just say "ok" and leave it at that?

Our attitude as a society is far too tolerant. We don't complain. We just think "Oh, that's not very nice, never mind I'll just have to explain to dd/ds that it's an adult film". We seem to just sigh and get on with it.

I was watching BBC3 last night about the most cringey Pop songs. It was around 7.30pm and the word "tits" came on and was repeated, along with an image of a large breasted woman gyrating into the camera. My dd was watching and saw too much before I finally found the bloody remote. Now people would just say "oh turn it over or off if you don't like it". It's this accept, put up and shut up attitude that I hate the most.

You might be comfortable explaining to your kids what porn means, you might feel ok about them reading it on the side of a bus, you might even think that "tits" is no big deal. But not everyone thinks the same. We have the right to speak out, to complain. Why do people try to stop that? Fine, you feel ok about it, good for you. Equally then it wouldn't affect you if the rest of us complained and had the offending ad removed would it? It wouldn't matter one iota to you and the rest of us would feel better.

Is that so painful for you to accept?

Kathyis6incheshigh, if you are talking about the white slave industry...or selling oneself to do drugs...or prostitution then I would say they don't do it by choice but by males (or females) forcing them to.
Porn as an industry (again not talking about child porn) isn't illegal. The women who make the movies aren't doing it because they are being forced to. They are doing it for the money.
There is even legal prostitution in the U.S. in Nevada that has been studied to find the women that do it do it because it gives them the freedom they want. They do it for the money and no one is keeping them there.
Angelina Jolie can pick and choose whatever she wishes to do because she is wealthy. She doesn't do movies like Beowulf (which you can research and find some of the cut scenes of her) on the web) because she is forced to.
The same goes for other famous women...Janet Jackson had a supposed "costume malfunction" at one of the Superbowl games several years ago. Later it was admitted she planned it (without Justin Timberlakes knowledge) just to revitalize her fame.
Angelina Jolie as the tombraider character. I'm sure they forced her to play the part...shower scene and all. Granted she makes a wonderful Lara Croft but the character is idolized for her body (particularly her breasts) and not her brains.
I've backed up my arguments (unfortunately the link I've put in doesn't work because I'm incompetent with this computer).
dittany (maybe this is just may interpretation) argues that MEN are the evil source of female porn. I don't think that is so. I disagree with that point. Any other point I've disagreed with I've tried to back up with examples.
Regardless, you are all entitled to your opinions and I to mine. Now, I'm off to other threads.

Dittany as I stated I didn't dance naked at Spearmint Rhino's I always wore a long dress and just danced and chatted to customers about random things not even on a sexaul basis I was more of a hostess.

Nothing influenced me to work there I just needed a job and my friend runs the dancers there. Not once did a man degrade me in fact I got treated like a princess alot of money champagne etc. In regards to my Mum she didn't know and still doesn't know.

Brittany spears in has got her bits out many a times I even think there is a few sex tapes floating around about of her.

Also Dittany in your linked video it brought up people like Pamala anderson and Brittany spears who use to sex to make money.

The point is these women in the legal porn business are not forced to do anything they don't want to alot of them aspire to be porn stars and glamour models and a simple name on a poster about making a porno movie is not going to make or influence are children to become porn stars.

Erm, weren't they both filmed by their boyfriends and then the films "accidently" got sent to the media?

Isn't it all a bit of fun when a female star is filmed by her bf having sex and then that tape is sent to the nationals and all over YouTube - oh yes, what a snigger!

dittany, I've stated that women in the porn industry ARE NOT forced to make the movies. They get paid. It sells.
I agree that men are in the lead with producing and consuming it. No argument there but that hardly constitutes them forcing women to perform on camera.
Also your definition of "porn" is only pertaining to "hard core" porn...correct?
So "soft porn" look up the definition doesn't apply?
Again, I think I've said enough. I'm not in agreement with you and there has been little that you've said to convince me otherwise.
Oh, on your comment about "WHABT seein a lot of Shite movies." I am so crying about your opinion of what I should or should view and what I should think about it.