to think that Billy Bob and Zak Make a Porno (or whatever their names are) is quite an offensive title?

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Saw this advertised in huge letters on the side of a bus today, and thought it quite offensive. Am I getting old?

"The racist title I mentioned would not be getting the same defense as the woman-hating title"

but there is no woman hating title.
there is a title containing the word porno which you interpret as woman hating even though it has a male and female character in the title and attributes the same action to both equally i.e. making a porno.

you clearly have an axe to grind against porn and are attributing mysogyny (sp) where there is none

"He's got one of his characters making jokes about someone's anus (I'm assuming it's a woman as this film is aimed at the het market) being destroyed by being used in pornography."
so a mysogynistic joke made by a character in his movie is proof that he is mysogynistic?
in that case what about racist comments made by characters in american history x?does that make the director racist even though it clearly wasn't a racist movie?

or to use another kevin smith movie as an example chasing amy where there is a fairly copious amount of man bashing from the female lead playing a bi-sexual/lesbian.

ditto mall rats when jason lee's character is mocked for having a small cock.would you equally class him as a man hater because he is mplying that men who don't have huge cocks are worthless because they can't satisfy women?
you can't just take one joke made by a fictional charcter in the confines of the films story, use it out of context and attribute the same ideals to the film maker.

"What do you think of Kevin Smith getting his character to joke about a woman's anus being destroyed? Do you find that funny?"

i haven't heard the joke so i can't comment. i'm not sure why but your link wouldn't work for me (my computer is crap) so i was unable to view it.

Good posts by MorrisZapp - articulated exactly what I'm concerned about. Have no problem at all with the word 'sex', in pretty much any context, and as always it's revealing that the pro-porn posters think anti-porn posters find sex shocking. We don't. We like sex. We just think porn is damaging shite.

I haven't seen the bus ad, but I have seen a trailer on TV, so that's what I complained about.

Thanks PW, I totally agree.

I love sex. The more sex the better as far as I'm concerned.

I want people to enjoy and discuss sex in a healthy way, and for porn to remain an adult concern and pursuit.

Somebody else used the term 'opt-in' and that's what porn should be. IE invisible to those who don't choose to actively seek it out.

In the film Superbad (a Seth Rogen film) there are endless sexist jokes (for instance a scene in which a guy gets his first close dance, but the girl has her period and so bleeds on his leg, cue much hilarity and disgust etc), but the final 'take home' message is a positive one.

ie, that women are much more fun when you treat them as equals, and talk to them like you would with your friends, as opposed to seeing them as walking vaginas with 'keep out' signs attached which can only be removed by application of alcohol.

I say this as somebody who actually went to the cinema to see Superbad. It wasn't nearly as Bad as I thought it would be, though it wasn't totally Super either.

Yes, I have seen two buses with the ad, one driving around my home town.

No, I do not go in for irrational mass hysteria. I had no desire to complain about Ross and Brand. I like Ross and I often laugh at Ponderland although I'm not keen on Brand. I did not shed a tear over Princess Di's death.

Hard to believe perhaps, but I am a free-thinking reasonably intelligent individual.

Along similar lines,did anybody see my thread last week about Paperchase cards?In their Brighton store they are displaying greetings cards with the words "fucking" and "wanker" in large,bold type across the front of the card.I wrote to the company complaining and received a very patronising reply implying that my opinion is worthless because young people like such cards and they sell a lot of them.

From a quick google: "Quinn's relationship with the Joker could only be described as "abusive": he yells at her, hits her and abandons her whenever she becomes inconvenient or annoying, but she always comes back for more, convinced that he truly loves her and that his violence is "just a joke." The Joker, an expert manipulator, always knows just when to turn on the charm when he once again needs her."

Lovely!

As for a grown man nearing middle age naming his daughter after a joke in a comic book.... he hasn't really grown up at all has he?

Moosie, so depressing, isn't it?

I don't want to see his films. Saw Clerks when it came out and thought it was utter, witless crap. I have no interest in censoring them either. I object to the use of the word 'porno' in a bus side advert that I first saw when taking my youngest child to nursery. Totally inappropriate and part of the sexualising of culture that is so harmful to all of us, especially our children. It is all part and parcel of the 'porn star in training' t-shirt for children culture that we are letting happen to ourselves.
And you know what, I think a grown man who names his child after a cartoon character is utterly pathetic. To give your baby daughter a stupid joke name, in 'honour' of a an abused cartoon character is repellent and stupid.

I loathe the whole porn industry but I think even people who love porn think it's not for kids, not for general consumption, as someone else wisely put, an 'opt in' rather than opt out option for all the rest of us.
Putting the word porno in giant letters on a bus trundling up the high street at 9.15am is too intrusive.

I like d Clerks

So I saw that this morning, and I thought, in this order:

• stupid cultural imperialism ('porno' - as opposed to 'porn' - being what they say, over there in that porn-saturated society)

• crass

• facile

• ds is going to ask me about this. Poor ds. He is going to get an earful, and it will be worse than when he innocently asked me about Stalin and whether people thought he was bad. I would rather talk to him about Stalin: knowledge about Stalin can in some ways broaden your horizons. Knowledge about conditioned arousal, so WHAT. Except that conditioned arousal can be quite a nasty bad addictive thing (viz some very despairing threads on MN) and cynical people make a lot of money (and misery) out of it. I do not want to be part of making light of all that.

Whether that all adds up to a formal complaint I will need to think about.

I have complained. Thank you to the poster who made it easy for me to do. I want to protect my community.

Bink - you saw the film? What's it like?

No, I didn't see the film. I saw the bus and its ad. Obviously I wouldn't be saying "ds will be asking about this" if I was talking about the film. I don't care about the film. I care about its visible promotion.