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Oh dear. The first real problem with our neighbours...what to do?

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FlightAttendent · 27/08/2008 12:09

Last month we moved into a lovely flat, which is next door to a residential thingy for patients discharged from the local mental hospital.

I have a good friend who works as an OT and told me it is fine - they carefully decide who to place there as it is in a residential area. Most of the patients are fairly stable as far as he knows, etc etc.

We've not had any trouble at all, I was feeling confident. But this morning, ds's 1&2 were out in our garden alone, while I emailed my mother back - ds1 was calling me in a silly way, 'maaar-my' over and over again, not loudly, because he wanted me to go out and play with him - I went to the window and said I would be out in 5 minutes.

He went back to the climbing frame and sat there calling some more. Not in distress, just repeatedly in a daft way.

I went to go out a minute later, to hear a low voice over the wall from next door - saying 'alright ds1?' (he knew his name )
Ds1 shyly smiled back and nodded.
Voice said 'what about the daughter, is she alright?'

Ds1 nodded again, glanced at me - I went out and the man said 'It's only me - I thought he might need help or something'. I said, 'No, thanks he's fine, I was just there (pointing to door)'
He said' what about your daughter, haven't you got a daughter over there?'
He obv meant ds2, who was perfectly alright and quiet.
I said 'No, that's my other son, he is fine'

The man was reluctant to let it drop but eventually wandered off.

I felt horrible, it was intrusive, unnecessary, and the worst thing (I shouldn't care probably) was that Ds1 was trouserless in every sense

I think he should be allowed to play in his own garden without worrying about this stuff but have now had to have a word, which makes me sad.

I can't help feeling upset that this person should be looking over our wall and speaking to my children unless they are friends and I have introduced them.

Especially as I was actually speaking to Ds1 loudly, asking him to come in and get his trousers on, at the same time as the man was insistently trying to have a conversation with him. He could obv hear me shouting but carried on acting as though I was not there and my children somehow warranted his attention.

Sorry to rant but am not sure how to prevent this happening again, unless the hedge we are putting in grows 10 times faster than it is likely to...there is already a decent wall but this doesn't appear to provide sufficient privacy.

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pollyblue · 27/08/2008 23:00

Is there a warden or manager of the residential home you could talk to for reassurance? There very probably was nothing sinister in this man's actions, but it has made you uncomfortable and as you don't know him, I think that's fair enough.

salsmum · 27/08/2008 23:37

or better still.....next time your neighbours have a BBQ or party ask if they would like some help, that would break down some barriers expell some mythes [sp]and who knows you may have a really good time it is after all the neighbourly thing to be friendly.
My daughter is regularly 'harrassed' by able bodied people [she is a wheelchair user] they think it's o.k. to invade her personal space, ask out loud whats wrong with her and treat her in a patronising, disrespectful way, they also tutt and moan if she's 'in the way' when they are shoppin and sometimes even ignore her and refuse to allow her room to get passed in her w/chair. This is not in our garden but in general public mostly everwhere we go[not a personal rant just general].
Dependin on how often your neighbours are occupied or taken out they could indeed be just very bored.

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Janni · 27/08/2008 23:55

...which would really aid his rehabilitation back into the community

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Raine3 · 28/08/2008 00:01

Having spent some years being a volunteer at the local - for want of a better phrase - mental hospital, I would be concerned too if a strange man was peering over my fence especially as he knew his name ..........

Take no notice of bitch Stitch or tiredofemma .............

They obviously have no idea what some of these patients are capable of.

sandcastles · 28/08/2008 00:21

If he has lived next door to you for some time, he could have easily heard you calling your ds by name, could he not?

Also, if he heard your child calling mummy & believed he was not getting any or little response maybe he was fed up of hearing it &/or wanted to check all was OK.

I am all for privacy & people's rights, but what about his rights....like not having to listen to your child continually call you!

knockedgymnast · 28/08/2008 00:38

I agree that it is intrusive and working in a mental hospital myself, some of the patients have no social boundaries and can be very inappropriate at times. He could have been trying to be friendly but whether he's mentally inept or not, go with your instincts...

Janni · 28/08/2008 00:38

In my experience as a former mental health nurse (and I believe Tiredemma currently works in the field), the vast majority of long-term patients who are rehoused is that they are rather sad, vulnerable people who really are not out to do harm to others.

Janni · 28/08/2008 00:44

And I know the 'you can't be too careful' and 'you just never know' brigade will want this man lynched for daring to peer over his neighbour's fence and talk to a child, but it really is important that we are humane towards those who've spent many years in institutions.

knockedgymnast · 28/08/2008 00:46

* mental health hospital

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FlightAttendent · 28/08/2008 06:50

Thanks for all the perspectives. Yes, I understand that we all have a role in helping integration but surely that involves (as KM points out) assuring that boundaries (figurative ones I mean!) are respected.

I am pretty sure that he means no harm even if he did follow us out into the garden, this I'm certain is simply a lack of social awareness, an attempt to make a connection.

I just don't want to make connections at the moment with youngish, single blokes - MH patients or not - when I am feeling vulnerable myself. But that's really my problem, I need to sort out my own fence or hedge if I don't want to be friendly.

I can see that the issue is with me - if I was happy and confident with a DH around sometimes and no MH issues myself, I would probably not give a stuff if this guy flung his underpants over the wall every morning. The only reason I posted (and felt so threatened) is my own state of mind.

I hope that makes the thread less offensive to those who found it so initially.

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sweetgrapes · 28/08/2008 07:32

I sympathise deeply.

Dd 'stalks' our neighbour.

She's 7. The moment she sees him in the garden, sometimes gardening , sometimes having a quiet moment in the sun, she's off...

Hello, hello, hello, ... James.. James.. Hello Are you alright James? What are you doing James?

and so on and so forth!!

I keep the kitchen door locked if I see him out there.

He's a nice guy and doesn't appear to have taken offence so far. (Crap weather helps) Talks to her nicely for 30 secs - 1 minute and then ignores her.

slim22 · 28/08/2008 07:39

shudder shudder shudder

I would not feel comfortable at all.

sweetgrapes · 28/08/2008 07:57

Well, am glad you're not our neighbour then.

Both sides neighbours work all week so there's nobody there and weekends we either go out or are doing things so it doesn't happen as often as she would like!!

She's settled down a bit now too - we moved in last year and now that she's talked to them and knows them better she's much calmer about them.

While I do realise it's a pita, I also think she should be able to play in her own garden too!

tiredemma · 28/08/2008 09:02

By Raine3 on Thu 28-Aug-08 00:01:52
"Having spent some years being a volunteer at the local - for want of a better phrase - mental hospital, I would be concerned too if a strange man was peering over my fence especially as he knew his name ..........

Take no notice of bitch Stitch or tiredofemma .............

They obviously have no idea what some of these patients are capable of."

Raine3- Could you please point out any comments on this thread where it would appear that I have no idea what I am talking about?
I commented on somebody likening a bail hostel to a mental health rehabiliation home.

And for your information, I do know what 'some of these' patients are capable of- Im not a bloody idiot.

If I was FA and was so concerned about it, I would go around and speak to the staff about the man, so he can be advised against chatting over the fence in future.

Not all mental health patients are axe weilding perverts you know.

oh and Raine3- its tiredemma not tiredofemma. Do grow up.

FlightAttendent · 28/08/2008 09:40

Thanks TE and all of you - I hope I've made my thoughts clearer now. If I start to feel intimidated in any way I'll pop round and have a word. For the time being I am putting my discomfort down to my own feelings, I don't think this man is a threat in any other way but to my personal sense of space.

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Raine3 · 28/08/2008 09:49

lololol

Raine3 · 28/08/2008 09:51

.... still tiredofemma

Janni · 28/08/2008 09:56

You've explained it very well, Flightattendant and I hope it all works out for you

WickedBitchoftheEast · 28/08/2008 11:21

To be honest FA, anyone peering over my fence at my children would get a black eye, male or female.

And of course you can't expect the other mums on here to uderstand as they have done such a great job raising their perfect children that they NEVER EVER do the 'Mummy Mummy Mummy Mummy Mummy' chant and certainly never whine!

tiredemma · 28/08/2008 11:25

Classy

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