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To wonder why people used to marry so young

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estrella167532839 · Yesterday 18:47

In 1990 the average age for getting married was 24. I know couples who got married when they were 21/22 and had only just graduated from uni. I can’t imagine being married that young.

At the moment, it seems like most people get married in their 30s, if at all.

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DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 13:30

Additup · Today 12:33

Society isn't made up of people who have the same ideas as me now and there will always be people who have a conservative attitude. The 1990s was very liberal though, more so than now in a lot of ways.

Nonsense. You were in a liberal bubble then. There were a huge variety of attitudes but sexism towards women and double standards was completely normal and mainstream, as was homophobia and people used the fear of Aids to go after gay men in the press.

Rape in marriage was only criminalised in 1991.

You are simply and utterly incorrect that society as a whole was more laid back and liberal. There are facts to prove it, not a lot of anecdata about what you and your mates thought.

Remember Peter Lilley's Conservative party conference speech in 1992 and rant about single mothers? And the country had just elected another Conservative government on the back of their "Back to Basics" campaign about traditional morality. There was a massive moral panic about people my age (teens) and how we behaved. Michael Howard's Howard introduced the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. I well remember as I was a law student by then. The Act was massive and cracked down on rave culture, squatter rights, and ended a defendant's traditional right to silence. There was a huge crack down on alternative lifestyles and New Age travellers also.

Mainstream society was Conservative. Big C, small C.

The press of all stripes weaponised misogyny against young women, particularly Mandy Smith and Amanda de Cadenet. No focus whatsoever on the men exploiting them. The British press also operated within a climate of rampant institutionalised homophobia.

Gay marriage was not legalised until 2013 in the UK. David Cameron government. The Civil Partnership Act was 2004 under Tony Blair. Section 28 of the Local Government Act 1988 restricting how local councils and authorities spent their budgets, effectively blocking them from funding LGBTQ+ support groups, helplines, library books, and inclusive school sex education wasn't repealed until 2003 in England and Wales.

Get your rose tinted fucking glasses off. We've come a long way since then but there was still plenty of wars to be won.

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 13:35

Yeah I had an absolute blast in the 1990s too, I was age 15-25, of course I did but I'm not delusional about it being a chilled out liberal paradise in the UK then as it really fucking wasn't if you opened a newspaper or took your head out of your arse to see the absolute battles people were having all around me to simply live their lives free from persecution and hatred.

Just because you had your head up your own arse and had no idea what was going on around you, well some of us did, particularly if you were studying media and law as I did, and mixed with a wide range of people, you'd know there were huge cultural changes and shifts going on and big battles over traditional and modern ideas.

RafaFan · Today 13:36

Gengha · Today 12:22

And I was at Uni 1990 - 95 and don’t remember any of these scare mongering campaigns. Yes safe sex was a thing as we knew how HIV was transmitted and free condoms were widely available but people really are just making things up on this thread.

I was also at uni in the early 90s, and the safe sex message was very strongly pushed - mainly from a STD perspective rather than pregnancy prevention. I remember receiving a bag in Freshers week with condoms, lots of leaflets about HIV and other STDs, and a rape alarm.

CorkedWellbeing · Today 13:41

I got married at 25 in 2015. It didn't work out for us though we're still good friends and get coffee together most weeks and he is God Father to my daughter.
We were in love and it felt romantic and grown up and we had a tiny ceremony and a weekend in Amsterdam to celebrate.
Despite it not working for us, I am glad we did it.

ginasevern · Today 13:42

@IntentionallyAsymmetrical "For those posters who weren't born in the 1990s or are too young to remember them, here's a nostalgic picture of me and my best mate at a typical 1990s party"

Yeah, that sums up the 90's! It was bugger getting your corsets done up for a night out. Then waiting for an eligible gentleman to mark your dance card. I have read that some young ladies went to raves and indulged in ecstasy but that's obviously pure fantasy and utterly shocking of course.

Additup · Today 13:42

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 13:30

Nonsense. You were in a liberal bubble then. There were a huge variety of attitudes but sexism towards women and double standards was completely normal and mainstream, as was homophobia and people used the fear of Aids to go after gay men in the press.

Rape in marriage was only criminalised in 1991.

You are simply and utterly incorrect that society as a whole was more laid back and liberal. There are facts to prove it, not a lot of anecdata about what you and your mates thought.

Remember Peter Lilley's Conservative party conference speech in 1992 and rant about single mothers? And the country had just elected another Conservative government on the back of their "Back to Basics" campaign about traditional morality. There was a massive moral panic about people my age (teens) and how we behaved. Michael Howard's Howard introduced the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994. I well remember as I was a law student by then. The Act was massive and cracked down on rave culture, squatter rights, and ended a defendant's traditional right to silence. There was a huge crack down on alternative lifestyles and New Age travellers also.

Mainstream society was Conservative. Big C, small C.

The press of all stripes weaponised misogyny against young women, particularly Mandy Smith and Amanda de Cadenet. No focus whatsoever on the men exploiting them. The British press also operated within a climate of rampant institutionalised homophobia.

Gay marriage was not legalised until 2013 in the UK. David Cameron government. The Civil Partnership Act was 2004 under Tony Blair. Section 28 of the Local Government Act 1988 restricting how local councils and authorities spent their budgets, effectively blocking them from funding LGBTQ+ support groups, helplines, library books, and inclusive school sex education wasn't repealed until 2003 in England and Wales.

Get your rose tinted fucking glasses off. We've come a long way since then but there was still plenty of wars to be won.

I disagree. I think the 90s was more liberal in many ways. We certainly didn't pigeon hole people like we do now into 'good' and 'bad'.

I lived in a northern city and a small, working class northern mill town, hardly a liberal bubble 😂

Obviously there was sexism, racism etc but there is now. I certainly don't remember any moral panic in the 90s and it appears there are lots of others on here who agree with me.

Slso, this thread is about attitudes to marriage and sex before marriage not lgb etc education.

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 13:46

Additup · Today 13:42

I disagree. I think the 90s was more liberal in many ways. We certainly didn't pigeon hole people like we do now into 'good' and 'bad'.

I lived in a northern city and a small, working class northern mill town, hardly a liberal bubble 😂

Obviously there was sexism, racism etc but there is now. I certainly don't remember any moral panic in the 90s and it appears there are lots of others on here who agree with me.

Slso, this thread is about attitudes to marriage and sex before marriage not lgb etc education.

Then there are a lot of seriously ignorant people who had not a fucking clue what was going on and never watched the news or opened a newspaper.

But because they remember it differently and the little bubble of existence they operated in was different, then that was the truth, never mind all the facts I presented.

People just want to remember a rose tinted image of fond nostalgia, but that is very far from the truth.

Elbowpatch · Today 13:48

It was very frowned upon to be consorting with an unrelated person of the opposite sex without a ring on your finger.

In 1990? Where? It certainly wasn’t in the UK.

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 13:50

Additup · Today 13:42

I disagree. I think the 90s was more liberal in many ways. We certainly didn't pigeon hole people like we do now into 'good' and 'bad'.

I lived in a northern city and a small, working class northern mill town, hardly a liberal bubble 😂

Obviously there was sexism, racism etc but there is now. I certainly don't remember any moral panic in the 90s and it appears there are lots of others on here who agree with me.

Slso, this thread is about attitudes to marriage and sex before marriage not lgb etc education.

Did you read all the bit about single mothers? All part of the same coin.

But don't let actual facts get in the way of your rose-tinted memories.

Moreholidaysthanjudithchalmers · Today 13:54

IntentionallyAsymmetrical · Today 12:53

No religious background in my family - nominal CofE at most - but my uncle's wife came of a Methodist background so unmarried pregnancy was definitely a no-no in the early 70s for them.

My parents have always atheists as far as I know, they married in a register office. I understand what finally brought about the marriage was that my dad had to relocate for work and if they were married his relocation allowance would cover his wife as well 😆I don't know if they would have made a point of marrying before starting a family - my sister and I were planned pregnancies, so possibly they would if only for adminstrative/legal convenience.

I touched upon this earlier. There could often be financial benefits to marriage like your parents found with relocation allowance.
If you only qualified for couples housing if married or your death in service and pension could only go to your spouse it’s an incentive to marry.
It was one on reasons gay couples fought for ability to marry to be able to get legal benefits.

tinyspiny · Today 13:55

I got married when I was 22 , still very happily married now 37 yrs later . I don’t feel I’ve missed out on anything at all .

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 13:57

In any event the average age to get married for a woman in 1990 was 24 as the OP says, in the UK,not 33 as it is today.

If that doesn't show huge cultural change that people deny happening in the last 36 years then I don't know what does.

I haven't even touched on deep, ingrained institutional racism in the early 1990s, or how violent society was. Stephen Lawrence was killed in 1993. Violent crime was much higher than now. English clubs were banned from playing in Europe due to fan violence.

Get your head out of TikTok and read about that.

AgentPidge · Today 13:58

accidentalmillionaire · Yesterday 20:57

Well not long before that I was turned away from a hotel with my boyfriend bc we weren’t married. It was in Exeter.

and in 1990 (with a different boyfriend who went on to become my husband) both sets of parents didn’t allow shared rooms when staying with them.

That made me 😂 because the same thing happened to me - in Exeter. Then- BF was offered a job in 1989 and we went to Exeter to check it out. We knocked on the door of a B&B and the woman who answered asked if we were married. Before I could lie, BF innocently said "No", and she looked at me, called me a slut and slammed the door!

Newname26 · Today 13:59

Moreholidaysthanjudithchalmers · Today 13:54

I touched upon this earlier. There could often be financial benefits to marriage like your parents found with relocation allowance.
If you only qualified for couples housing if married or your death in service and pension could only go to your spouse it’s an incentive to marry.
It was one on reasons gay couples fought for ability to marry to be able to get legal benefits.

Thats true about housing. I'm sure that was also the case for military housing, it might still be the case or a very recent change, married quarters, clue in the name.

Additup · Today 14:02

Moreholidaysthanjudithchalmers · Today 13:54

I touched upon this earlier. There could often be financial benefits to marriage like your parents found with relocation allowance.
If you only qualified for couples housing if married or your death in service and pension could only go to your spouse it’s an incentive to marry.
It was one on reasons gay couples fought for ability to marry to be able to get legal benefits.

This is a good point. There did used to be more of a financial benefit to marriage than there is now which would have made it more appealing to some.

Newname26 · Today 14:06

AgentPidge · Today 13:58

That made me 😂 because the same thing happened to me - in Exeter. Then- BF was offered a job in 1989 and we went to Exeter to check it out. We knocked on the door of a B&B and the woman who answered asked if we were married. Before I could lie, BF innocently said "No", and she looked at me, called me a slut and slammed the door!

Not me but I knew people that happened to in Ayrshire, they were teens around the mid 90s.

pinck · Today 14:07

Illegally18 · Today 12:33

No, pinck, I think you've missed the point. It's the sheer ugliness of the words "locking a man down" . God almighty. I pity your husband.

Lol, my husband is perfectly fine but thanks so much for your concern and since everyone is apparently determined to keep using the word “triggered,” why are so many of you so triggered by people getting married young? Some people get married later, sure .... my own brother got married in his thirties and my sister is in her thirties, has a kid with her partner she's been with for years, isn't married and may never be and that's perfectly fine too. Neither choice is inherently better than the other.

But imagine if I'd started an entire thread saying I couldn't understand why people wait until their thirties to get married, especially if they want children since that can mean having to start trying almost immediately whereas I got to enjoy five years of marriage before we even started trying for a baby that was great and yet somehow it's perfectly acceptable for someone to start a whole thread questioning why people marry young, but apparently we're not allowed to question the opposite without everyone getting offended?

ToffeePennie · Today 14:10

I married in 2013, aged 23. Don’t know what that does to your algorithm, but I have now been very happily married for 13 years and have two kids.

Nevermind31 · Today 14:10

I was 20 in 1995 - I don’t know anyone who married before they were 30, everyone lived together before they married and there was absolutely no issue with sex before marriage- it was the 90s, not the 50s

Moreholidaysthanjudithchalmers · Today 14:12

Additup · Today 14:02

This is a good point. There did used to be more of a financial benefit to marriage than there is now which would have made it more appealing to some.

Just from a quick google police pension scheme only extended to cohabitees 2006. If you are a young couple wanting to set up home then it made a lot of practical sense to marry.
Partner wasn’t a used word in 1990 (except as a boss in a solicitors firm) You had a husband or boyfriend. Boyfriend implied less serious. Work Christmas do may only have included invites for wife not girlfriend etc.

Tryagain26 · Today 14:20

Flipperthepriest · Yesterday 18:52

Was pre-marital sex really frowned on much as late as 1990?

Not as much sex before marriage but living together before marriage wasn't the norm that it is today. And having children without being married was definitely frowned upon.

PHB65 · Today 14:23

Got married at 18 in 1983. Still married.

WonderfulSmith · Today 14:24

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 12:11

Pre-marital sex wasn't invented in the 1960s either.

It always went on.

People forget about different generations alive at the time though. In 1990 a lot of WW2 veterans were still around and even those who had lived through two wars. War babies were only in their middle years and boomers on the younger side.

Gen X coming through at the time may have had more socially relaxed ideas but older generations may have felt very differently.

Like in the 1960s, it wasn't swinging for my parents as they were already married and in a working class community in Manchester not in an arty set in London.

There was a lot more homophobia and endemic sexism in the 1990s, it was rife. People forget so quickly how it was. I largely remember the massive pearl clutching about young people and raves and drugs.

Edited

I’ve heard it said that the swinging 60s happened to 12 people in London and Mick Jagger.

WonderfulSmith · Today 14:28

Gengha · Today 12:29

I was aged 17 in 1990 and remember the decade well. You and many others are confusing the 1990s with the 1920s and are spouting absolute bullshit.

No. It’s not bullshit it is their lived experience, just because not everyone has had the exact same experience as you doesn’t make it bullshit.

Moreholidaysthanjudithchalmers · Today 14:30

Married couples allowance was worth over £400 a year in 1990. Average wage around £200 a week so a decent incentive, enough for a package holiday abroad etc.

To wonder why people used to marry so young