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To wonder why people used to marry so young

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estrella167532839 · Yesterday 18:47

In 1990 the average age for getting married was 24. I know couples who got married when they were 21/22 and had only just graduated from uni. I can’t imagine being married that young.

At the moment, it seems like most people get married in their 30s, if at all.

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Timeforachange26 · Today 12:06

whatwouldlilacerullodo · Today 00:33

Well, if you want to build a life with someone you have to do it while you're still growing up. I'm 47 and I'm not flexible enough to make a life with anyone. I'm set on my ways now.

That's a valid point. When you are younger you tend to more flexible and less " set in you ways"

Growlybear83 · Today 12:08

x2boys · Today 11:01

No of course not😂
Yes i ʻ remember girls in school talking about older boyfriends
Some was probably made up but some definitley went out with older men .

I only ever had older boyfriends when I was at school and was never interested in boys my own age. The only time I ever went out with a boy who was the same age was when my mum set me up with the paper boy. We had a horrible night out - he was incredibly immature and it was the closest I ever came to being raped. Thankfully I managed to knee him in the balls and screamed loudly enough for half the people in the church hall to come running out. I always made a conscious decision about who I went out with and there was never the slightest suggestion of grooming or abuse by any boyfriend I had - I knew exactly what I was doing. I looked much older than my age and was always able to get into pubs and bars without being questioned from when I first turned 14, and I usually lied about my age when I met a new boyfriend. I would never have gone out with anyone younger than 18 and only ever had one boyfriend who was still at school.

another poster mentioned above that people who married younger in the 1980s tended to stay together more often amd I think that’s because we generally took marriage much more seriously than some people do now, and in my case, and virtually all of our friends, marriage meant that you were going to spend the rest of your lives together. It was harder to get divorced then, and people knew that they had to be fairly certain that they were committing to the right person.

Timeforachange26 · Today 12:10

user1492757084 · Today 06:05

They could afford to.

They could afford children when young.

They could afford houses when young.

Their children were less likely to have disorders. Now older parents can access genetic testing and legal termination, or IVF.

Fewer people aspired to travel, like they do now. Having a family was a top priority for men and women.

People died younger on average too.

Not everyone had houses and babies just because they got married. When my parents got married ( age20 and 27) they live in 2 rooms in a shared house for years. Even when I was born 5 years later we had the bottom half of a house.

The buying house and mortgage etc came later

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 12:11

Scarcityvarcity · Today 10:53

True. However, even though premarital sex and living together was fine, I think that people generally wanted to be married before children then so that might have meant they married at a younger age.

Pre-marital sex wasn't invented in the 1960s either.

It always went on.

People forget about different generations alive at the time though. In 1990 a lot of WW2 veterans were still around and even those who had lived through two wars. War babies were only in their middle years and boomers on the younger side.

Gen X coming through at the time may have had more socially relaxed ideas but older generations may have felt very differently.

Like in the 1960s, it wasn't swinging for my parents as they were already married and in a working class community in Manchester not in an arty set in London.

There was a lot more homophobia and endemic sexism in the 1990s, it was rife. People forget so quickly how it was. I largely remember the massive pearl clutching about young people and raves and drugs.

Scarcityvarcity · Today 12:11

TheeNotoriousPIG · Today 11:38

It was very frowned upon to be consorting with an unrelated person of the opposite sex without a ring on your finger. I suspect that my grandparents did things like going away, unmarried, abroad, just to wind my grandfather's very religious mother up (and to see the world post-WWII). She didn't like my grandmother, who was too independent, with her own money that she refused to put into my grandfather's account. She insisted on her name going on the house, as it was her money that was being used to buy it. They got married in the 1950's, in their late twenties.

I suppose that it was one way to get your independence from your parents, as you could move out (if you had your own money) and start your life with someone that you loved. Societal pressure was another thing; if you were single as an 'older' person, you were 'left on the shelf', and 'living in sin' was not the done thing. It was almost suspect if you didn't marry and have children. Some people were pregnant outside of marriage, so were frog-marched up the aisle, even if it wasn't a person they would have chosen to marry. People didn't live as long, so you had to pack things in a bit earlier.

Where are you getting your information from? We are talking about 1990 not 1920 😂

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 12:13

Scarcityvarcity · Today 12:11

Where are you getting your information from? We are talking about 1990 not 1920 😂

See my post above. Attitudes varied. Were you there at the time?

Scarcityvarcity · Today 12:14

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 12:11

Pre-marital sex wasn't invented in the 1960s either.

It always went on.

People forget about different generations alive at the time though. In 1990 a lot of WW2 veterans were still around and even those who had lived through two wars. War babies were only in their middle years and boomers on the younger side.

Gen X coming through at the time may have had more socially relaxed ideas but older generations may have felt very differently.

Like in the 1960s, it wasn't swinging for my parents as they were already married and in a working class community in Manchester not in an arty set in London.

There was a lot more homophobia and endemic sexism in the 1990s, it was rife. People forget so quickly how it was. I largely remember the massive pearl clutching about young people and raves and drugs.

Edited

I think it was swinging for my parents and their friends by the 60s and they were northerners.

Scarcityvarcity · Today 12:15

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 12:13

See my post above. Attitudes varied. Were you there at the time?

Yes! I was an adult.

Gengha · Today 12:16

TheeNotoriousPIG · Today 11:38

It was very frowned upon to be consorting with an unrelated person of the opposite sex without a ring on your finger. I suspect that my grandparents did things like going away, unmarried, abroad, just to wind my grandfather's very religious mother up (and to see the world post-WWII). She didn't like my grandmother, who was too independent, with her own money that she refused to put into my grandfather's account. She insisted on her name going on the house, as it was her money that was being used to buy it. They got married in the 1950's, in their late twenties.

I suppose that it was one way to get your independence from your parents, as you could move out (if you had your own money) and start your life with someone that you loved. Societal pressure was another thing; if you were single as an 'older' person, you were 'left on the shelf', and 'living in sin' was not the done thing. It was almost suspect if you didn't marry and have children. Some people were pregnant outside of marriage, so were frog-marched up the aisle, even if it wasn't a person they would have chosen to marry. People didn't live as long, so you had to pack things in a bit earlier.

Jesus Christ, this is ridiculous. This was not the prevailing social attitude in 1990! And yes I was there.

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 12:16

Scarcityvarcity · Today 12:14

I think it was swinging for my parents and their friends by the 60s and they were northerners.

Were they married though? My parents got married in 1962 and were both working full time in factories so it was very different from someone say, still in education or single.

Additup · Today 12:18

IntentionallyAsymmetrical · Today 12:00

Attitudes did vary. I remember around 1989 hearing a conversation between my mum and a friend of hers - they'd both have been late 40s - and my mum's friend was talking about her student daughter and her boyfriend and said "I don't mind what they do at college but they're not sharing a bedroom under my roof". I remember thinking at the time that it seemed a pointless rule.

A couple of years later and I was a student myself - my parents raised no objections to my boyfriend sharing my single bed when he visited in the holidays. It wasn't even discussed, I obviously asked if he could stay, got the OK and was left to my own devices as to where and how he slept.

ETA that nor did my boyfriend's parents mind us sharing his bed when I stayed with him.

Edited

You've just unlocked a memory. In the early 2000s when staying for the weekend at my (uptight and quite religious) late mils she would make us sleep in separate rooms irrespective of the fact we'd lived together for years and were in our early 30s.
She didn't seem to consider that just her presence was a nature contraceptive 😂

I'm not sure how she would have coped if we'd not got married before having children !!!

Scarcityvarcity · Today 12:18

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 12:16

Were they married though? My parents got married in 1962 and were both working full time in factories so it was very different from someone say, still in education or single.

They were married mid 60s. Both graduates.

EmeraldDreams73 · Today 12:19

I got married in 1999 first time round age 26. Most of my friends/cousins were around the same age. We did live together and bought a house before we were engaged. It was quite unusual then to get married in early twenties, though most of our parents did so (in order to have sex, seems to be the general assumption)

Gengha · Today 12:19

LiberteLynx · Today 08:35

It was in my community which was not some cult.
Of course, most young adults were having lots of premarital sex in late 1980s to the early 1990s but it was frowned on by the older generations and society. Especially if you were expected to get a Uni degree and a career before children. There were campaigns against teen pregnancy and abortion still had a stigma. Protesters were still allowed outside abortion clinics.

There was an expectation of being discreet and being on contraception was judged- you would get treated better if you said you were on the pill for acne or to treat heavy periods. Sexual health clinics were grim and dirty, you would be treated like a sex worker.

By 1992-1994 the AIDS crisis hit those of us in our 20s. 1 in 4 of us had HIV. It was a death sentence to get HIV then and AIDS was the #1 cause of death of young people aged 25-35. A woman is 17x more likely to catch HIV from an infected partner than a man because of the biology of a vagina vs a penis. Uni campuses were constantly putting out the message about how a drunken night out could give you a fatal dose of HIV. There was alot of unknowns on transmission that added to the general fear going round. It was found in saliva so water fountains were shut off or ripped out of schools, gyms, workplaces. Many jobs started requiring proof of HIV negative for employment- my Uni cafeteria job and civil service graduate internship both did. There was a study showing condoms did not fully protect against HIV so we were told there was no such thing as safe sex.

This crisis noticeably reduced the amount of casual sex by the mid1990s and increased the desire for those of us who were young then to have serial monogamous committed relationships where you got full STI checks - for HIV it was two tests, 3 months apart- to be sure you were not going to get HIV, then AIDS and be dead by 2005. Many of these were marriages.

My parents generation and older once they reluctantly accepted HIV was not a disease only affecting gay men and heroin addicts (homosexuality was still shameful in many areas) they were all like sniff sniff only sluts that have orgies with heroin addicts get HIV and serves you right. Loads of judgement.

In what demographic did 1 in 4 people have HIV? Was it even that high in the gay male community?

Gengha · Today 12:22

And I was at Uni 1990 - 95 and don’t remember any of these scare mongering campaigns. Yes safe sex was a thing as we knew how HIV was transmitted and free condoms were widely available but people really are just making things up on this thread.

gudetamathelazyegg · Today 12:22

My parents got pressured into marrying in 1993 because they were "living in sin" and depended on money from my grandparents. Working class northerner. I really did feel the stigma of being from a divorced family, only kid in primary school apparently and it was brought up all the time!

I was the first in my family to go to uni. I do think that's somewhat relevant.

Additup · Today 12:22

Gengha · Today 12:19

In what demographic did 1 in 4 people have HIV? Was it even that high in the gay male community?

The whole post is nonsense. I remember the 80s and 90s well and it was nothing like that.

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 12:23

Scarcityvarcity · Today 12:18

They were married mid 60s. Both graduates.

Well, for starters being students and even being a few years younger would mean they experienced things differently from someone who left school at sixteen, went to work then got married in their early 20s. My inlaws were slightly younger and both went to university where they met and there was quite a difference in how they experienced the 1960s between them and my parents.

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 12:25

Additup · Today 12:22

The whole post is nonsense. I remember the 80s and 90s well and it was nothing like that.

It was very much less liberal than now. Society was not made up of people who were exactly the same age as you and had exactly the same ideas as you.

Gengha · Today 12:25

Additup · Today 12:22

The whole post is nonsense. I remember the 80s and 90s well and it was nothing like that.

Same. Why people are making all this up I have no idea, but they are.

BIossomtoes · Today 12:26

Sexual health clinics were grim and dirty, you would be treated like a sex worker.

I went to one in 1984. It wasn’t grim or dirty and I was treated very kindly.

Gengha · Today 12:26

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 12:25

It was very much less liberal than now. Society was not made up of people who were exactly the same age as you and had exactly the same ideas as you.

Society is never made up of people the exact same age. That’s how societies work

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 12:28

Gengha · Today 12:26

Society is never made up of people the exact same age. That’s how societies work

Exactly. It's not made up of people with the same views either! That's my point.

There were a huge number of older people very Conservative - big C and small c views about sex and relationships in the UK.

BruFord · Today 12:29

EmeraldDreams73 · Today 12:19

I got married in 1999 first time round age 26. Most of my friends/cousins were around the same age. We did live together and bought a house before we were engaged. It was quite unusual then to get married in early twenties, though most of our parents did so (in order to have sex, seems to be the general assumption)

@EmeraldDreams73 Yes, and like you, I was one of the first of my friends to get married (one had married earlier that year), most people waited until late 20's/early 30's. We went to loads of weddings in 2003/4.

Children came afterwards in our 30's, and as I said upthread, I think that's one of the major social changes that's occurred. Having children first and then getting married is what's changed IMO.

Gengha · Today 12:29

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 12:28

Exactly. It's not made up of people with the same views either! That's my point.

There were a huge number of older people very Conservative - big C and small c views about sex and relationships in the UK.

I was aged 17 in 1990 and remember the decade well. You and many others are confusing the 1990s with the 1920s and are spouting absolute bullshit.