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Lefties and Centrists of London - would you consider voting against the current mayor in the next election?

237 replies

hotmumshit · Yesterday 18:06

Cant get a bus down Oxford Street
Crime hasn't gone anywhere, only the phone bike thieves due to international outcry
Housing still a mess

I am a lifelong leftie, but I am not voting the current mayor in again.

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Marieb19 · Yesterday 20:08

People quite often don't bother reporting crime in London, unless they need a crime number for insurance.

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 20:13

hotmumshit · Yesterday 19:37

We are able to sit down in places. Thanks.

The eqia says that resting places will be provided. Would that help?

Disability
• Pedestrianisation would make Oxford Street easier to navigate for people with some disabilities by reducing footway congestion. This is likely to be especially beneficial for people with mobility impairments who may require more space to manoeuvre, or people with visual
impairments who use canes or guide dogs.

• People with disabilities are much more likely to find their walking and wheeling experience on Oxford Street more enjoyable due to features associated with pedestrianisation schemes such
as having less street clutter, a levelled pavement surface and more seatings and resting places.Normally in pedestrianisation schemes, original kerbs that delineate the boundary between footway
and carriageway would be removed, and the entire street surface would become levelled.

If motor vehicles are removed, the street clutter that supports driving can be removed (such as traffic lights
and road signs) and more seating and resting places can be provided instead, supporting those with mobility impairments who may need to sit and rest more often and who would encounter fewer obstacles, steps and level differences.

MerryAquaKoala · Yesterday 20:14

I think the Eliz line stops at TCR, totally step free. Vic Line at OX circus step free. Bus crosses on Piccadilly. But I'd wait a bit until the bike issues are dealt with - because atm they're making it awful apparently.

hotmumshit · Yesterday 20:15

EmeraldRoulette · Yesterday 20:04

@hotmumshit I hear you.

As an ex Londoner, I’ve seen a few of these proposals about pedestrianisation of Oxford Street. I think I objected in the first one and then I didn’t bother because I never went, unless I was stuck going for work.

Anyway, I always thought it would be a disaster because I thought the bikes would get through. And they certainly have. I have no idea how they’re going to manage that issue.

I also thought it was really problematic for buses not to go. Buses are often much better if you’ve got limited mobility and/or disability. I don’t really understand why people don’t understand that.

i’m old enough to remember Oxford Street was quite nice!

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Thank you - gosh people are awful about disabled people

I understand traffic but busses that are electric anyway? And bikes are still going through, although I imagine that'll be stopped by police at some point

Police who aren't busy enough 🙄

I dunno ive given up on the thread, but glad someone gets what i'm saying!

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hotmumshit · Yesterday 20:15

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 20:13

The eqia says that resting places will be provided. Would that help?

Disability
• Pedestrianisation would make Oxford Street easier to navigate for people with some disabilities by reducing footway congestion. This is likely to be especially beneficial for people with mobility impairments who may require more space to manoeuvre, or people with visual
impairments who use canes or guide dogs.

• People with disabilities are much more likely to find their walking and wheeling experience on Oxford Street more enjoyable due to features associated with pedestrianisation schemes such
as having less street clutter, a levelled pavement surface and more seatings and resting places.Normally in pedestrianisation schemes, original kerbs that delineate the boundary between footway
and carriageway would be removed, and the entire street surface would become levelled.

If motor vehicles are removed, the street clutter that supports driving can be removed (such as traffic lights
and road signs) and more seating and resting places can be provided instead, supporting those with mobility impairments who may need to sit and rest more often and who would encounter fewer obstacles, steps and level differences.

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Thats great. I am speaking of my own lived experience, but thanks.

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Needmorelego · Yesterday 20:16

@hotmumshit Selfridges and John Lewis I believe have back and side entrances that will be accessible by taxi and bus routes.
I also believe all the roads that cross Oxford St are still open to traffic so you just use one of those to drop you nearby and walk around the corner.
You won't have to do massive amounts of walking. It will be safer for walkers with mobility issues because it will be less cramped and crowded and you won't get pushed and shoved.

MerryAquaKoala · Yesterday 20:17

mugglewump · Yesterday 20:07

Sir Sadiq Khan has done an amazing job for London - and long may he continue to do so. He will have my vote, again (and again).

I used to suffer terribly with asthma and allergic rhinitis: now my nose is clear and I rarely need my asthma puffer. All thanks to the ULEZ.

I have no idea why people are making such a fuss about the pedestrianised Oxford Street - it's a half mile section, takes 15 minutes to walk it (without shuffling through crowds as there's more space), and the buses and taxis are rerouted just one street back - so very little impact on accessibility.

The 20 mph saves lives. How can you argue against that?

IMO, only racists dislike him.

I think he's Lord SK now..🙄

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 20:21

hotmumshit · Yesterday 20:15

Thats great. I am speaking of my own lived experience, but thanks.

I do understand. My husband is a wheelchair user and I know disabled people's needs are very often an afterthought or no thought at all. But there does seem to have been some consideration put into this, at least

It is a shame they couldn't introduce a scheme where people could have access to mobility scooters, in the same way some supermarkets provide them.

Needmorelego · Yesterday 20:23

@TemperanceWest I do think a mobility hire system could be good. Like they have in shopping centres - which are essentially just a pedestrian shopping street with a roof on.

Arbourimage · Yesterday 20:24

I really can’t see the link between people who are disabled, but not in wheelchairs and oxford street specifically.
No one is making you walk the length of Oxford street if you aren’t able to or don’t want to, there are 4 tube stations along the street meaning you can begin closer to where you want to go rather than walking the length of it.

No, SK making the move to pedestrianise Oxford st wounding make me vote conservative. Is it really even a Labour v conservative issue?

Flamingojune · Yesterday 20:24

MerryAquaKoala · Yesterday 20:14

I think the Eliz line stops at TCR, totally step free. Vic Line at OX circus step free. Bus crosses on Piccadilly. But I'd wait a bit until the bike issues are dealt with - because atm they're making it awful apparently.

it can't be any worse than it was before. The motor traffic on oxford st was/is awful

NorthLondonResident · Yesterday 20:26

I think the pedestrianisation of Oxford Street is a good thing. London has been overrun with young males in balaclavas on electric bikes weaving through and round the traffic, driving through pedestrians on crossings and through red lights. It is dangerous and intimidating.
However, he can override the decisions of local planning departments.
Near me we are about to lose a swimming pool, cinema, leisure centre with bowling, lots of family eating places and free parking, It is on a bus route and very popular.
The council refused planning for blocks of flats but Khan has over ruled them.
We are absolutely surrounded by housing development and blocks of flats. It is a shame for the local community.

MerryAquaKoala · Yesterday 20:30

Arbourimage · Yesterday 20:24

I really can’t see the link between people who are disabled, but not in wheelchairs and oxford street specifically.
No one is making you walk the length of Oxford street if you aren’t able to or don’t want to, there are 4 tube stations along the street meaning you can begin closer to where you want to go rather than walking the length of it.

No, SK making the move to pedestrianise Oxford st wounding make me vote conservative. Is it really even a Labour v conservative issue?

Those 4 tube stations aren't step free on the Central Line side (that goes the length of Ox St). No good for people with mobility issues obviously. But your comment shows you don't think about those things. You don't need to, do you.

Well his alternative is Conservative, so yes.

MerryAquaKoala · Yesterday 20:33

Flamingojune · Yesterday 20:24

it can't be any worse than it was before. The motor traffic on oxford st was/is awful

Not sure about that. If you've been a pedestrian in Amsterdam, you'd know the trouble with dodging constant cyclists. Not e bikes at least, unlike Oxford Street . Cars are on the road. pedestrians the pavements. Bikes are all over the place, especially e bikes, especially nefarious little shits stealing phones etc.

Q2C4 · Yesterday 20:33

I’d vote him out for the horrendous traffic debacle that is now Bishopsgate.

friedaklein · Yesterday 20:34

Nope, I am voting for him again.
Love ULEZ; love pedestrianisation, love many things he's done.

Arbourimage · Yesterday 20:34

MerryAquaKoala · Yesterday 20:30

Those 4 tube stations aren't step free on the Central Line side (that goes the length of Ox St). No good for people with mobility issues obviously. But your comment shows you don't think about those things. You don't need to, do you.

Well his alternative is Conservative, so yes.

The poster specifically said she wasn’t a wheelchair user, plenty of people with limited mobility are fine to use a standing escalator. There is also a lot of bus access at various intervals of Oxford street, not just running directly down.

Are the conservatives running on a ‘bring pollution back to Oxford street’ campaign?

MerryAquaKoala · Yesterday 20:35

Q2C4 · Yesterday 20:33

I’d vote him out for the horrendous traffic debacle that is now Bishopsgate.

And the cycle 'super highways' and LTN that ruined my area.

MerryAquaKoala · Yesterday 20:37

Arbourimage · Yesterday 20:34

The poster specifically said she wasn’t a wheelchair user, plenty of people with limited mobility are fine to use a standing escalator. There is also a lot of bus access at various intervals of Oxford street, not just running directly down.

Are the conservatives running on a ‘bring pollution back to Oxford street’ campaign?

The fact you think wheel chair user or not wheelchair user works for assessing mobility issues, says it all really..

And then a facile comment about pollution. Dear oh dear.

RaggedRocks · Yesterday 20:39

I'd rather go to Bicester Village

Flamingojune · Yesterday 20:39

MerryAquaKoala · Yesterday 20:33

Not sure about that. If you've been a pedestrian in Amsterdam, you'd know the trouble with dodging constant cyclists. Not e bikes at least, unlike Oxford Street . Cars are on the road. pedestrians the pavements. Bikes are all over the place, especially e bikes, especially nefarious little shits stealing phones etc.

Yes i have been a pedestrian in both amsterdam and london. Both amazing cities to walk around

CozItsHotOut · Yesterday 20:41

Well, I suppuse you could vote Khan out on this issue. You’re perfectly entitled to vote on which ever issues you like. But be careful what you wish for.

I can’t see a Tory mayor being much of a friend to disabled people…their track record on benefits, social care, the NHS, …not exactly glowing.

Flamingojune · Yesterday 20:41

MerryAquaKoala · Yesterday 20:35

And the cycle 'super highways' and LTN that ruined my area.

Improved the areas for many

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 20:42

My city centre is largely pedestrianised and cyclists are a menace at times. Cycling is forbidden, but it isn't properly policed.

Arbourimage · Yesterday 20:43

MerryAquaKoala · Yesterday 20:37

The fact you think wheel chair user or not wheelchair user works for assessing mobility issues, says it all really..

And then a facile comment about pollution. Dear oh dear.

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Your comments are incredibly narrow and you’re struggling to understand the concept of a conversation with context, I only mentioned wheelchair users because the OP’s comment specifically mentioned it.

Air quality is not facile at all, and that just says a lot about you.
Huge scale infrastructure decisions cannot be aimed at only a small minority of people. There are various ways Oxford street can be accessible for people with a range of mobility needs, but ultimately these people are in the minority.
Air quality and safety from traffic is a benefit to everyone.