Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Moving abroad has made me realise how bloody dire the UK is

420 replies

MattHancocksPrivateNurse · Today 16:36

We moved abroad 4 months ago and after the normal wobbles and adjustments I am now shocked at how different (and much better!) life is. We have considerably more spending money despite paying for private school and healthcare (which are much much better than the UK). It’s safer, considerably cleaner, better public services and much better food quality.

already I can’t see us ever going back and already want to explore somewhere new eventually! But if anyone is feeling low and despondent about the uk which we really were and gets an opportunity (or has a transferable job) I would 100000% recommend looking into it.

i wish we had done it 10 years ago tbh. AIBU to never come back bar the odd visit to see family and friends?!

OP posts:
localnotail · Today 19:21

MattHancocksPrivateNurse · Today 16:41

We’ve moved to the Oman which I know mumsnet hates the ME but so far it’s been great. Husbands insurance is covered, ours was £3000 for myself and 3 kids for very good coverage. No I will take Arabic lessons and kids learn it in school but everyone speaks English!

Fuck that, I'm not moving to an Arabic country to live a life of expat. Unless this is your roots and you are planning to assimilate? You do realise that expats get a good deal in the courtiers like this because there are not many people who would immigrate from Europe to live there permanently?

What sort of future will your kids have? Will you be happy for your children to live by the country's traditions and rules?

This is such a weird place to move to. No wonder you dislike UK if you think this is a good place to live.

pIumwinegum · Today 19:22

OMAN?

Bloody hell, you couldn't pay me to live there.

No thank you

Ved · Today 19:23

localnotail · Today 19:21

Fuck that, I'm not moving to an Arabic country to live a life of expat. Unless this is your roots and you are planning to assimilate? You do realise that expats get a good deal in the courtiers like this because there are not many people who would immigrate from Europe to live there permanently?

What sort of future will your kids have? Will you be happy for your children to live by the country's traditions and rules?

This is such a weird place to move to. No wonder you dislike UK if you think this is a good place to live.

Edited

Yeah this. ^

DrMorbius · Today 19:23

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · Today 19:15

@ilovemylogburner Except the actual statistics tell a rather different story. Violent crime in England and Wales has fallen by around 75–80% since its peak in the mid-1990s. We are substantially less likely to experience violence than we were 30 years ago. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2026

Yes, we would have, say, less theft if the sanction for theft was chopping off a hand. Maybe none. Sure. But I would rather not live in such a society.

OMG there are some real morons in the UK. There are no police anymore. When you call the police (like i did) they say they can tip up a week on Wednesday. Then they do everything they can to not have your call turned into a crime stat. DOES ANYONE REALLY BELIEVE CRIME HAS GONE DOWN

Ved · Today 19:23

pIumwinegum · Today 19:22

OMAN?

Bloody hell, you couldn't pay me to live there.

No thank you

Also this! ^

ilovemylogburner · Today 19:24

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · Today 19:15

@ilovemylogburner Except the actual statistics tell a rather different story. Violent crime in England and Wales has fallen by around 75–80% since its peak in the mid-1990s. We are substantially less likely to experience violence than we were 30 years ago. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2026

Yes, we would have, say, less theft if the sanction for theft was chopping off a hand. Maybe none. Sure. But I would rather not live in such a society.

Yes, that’s lovely when you look at the statistics. But, perhaps you can imagine, when it’s YOU that gets robbed, with zero police response, for the second time, statistics become rather meaningless.

issyforqueen · Today 19:24

ilovemylogburner · Today 19:18

And as I said unthread, do you literally just…stay there, where you live? You never, ever leave?

Is that a genuine question! 😅

CarryOnRewardless · Today 19:25

My cousin lived in Oman as an English teacher for about 6 years and loved it. Met her now husband over there (who’s also British)
They are currently back in England as they wanted to be closer to family as her mum is ill. They now have 2 DC but she’s said she would definitely live there again with DC

Stinkybooks · Today 19:26

Also….Oman still has the death penalty - hanging or firing squad.

I for sure think our prison system news updating, reform etc but hanging/firing squad isn’t something I’d vote for!

Nobodyiswatching · Today 19:26

Oman or the UK. Tough one that 😆 They have an appalling human rights record and girls/women/gay people are seen as second class citizens or worse.

Sharia principles heavily influence family matters—such as marriage, divorce, and inheritance. Not good OP. It’s all roses around the door, until it’s not. You are familiar with liberalism and tolerance having lived in the UK. Those same principles do not hold sway in Oman I’m afraid.

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · Today 19:27

OP, I had an idea as to where you’d be, even to the extent of knowing where you’re probably staying.

With regards to probably never going back to the UK, you’ll find that much easier said than done such are the hoops you’d have to jump through to stay here. There’s also the fact Omanisation is well under way, your husbands profession is Omanised and there wouldn’t be a job for him to do. I I suggest you read up on the very few ways there are to stay here long term before you make long term plans.

Also, your children don’t go to a private school. They go to a community school/embassy school which is the equivalent of a good state comprehensive/grammar school in the UK. In fact there are only about 3 or 4 of the community schools here that could be classed as grammar schools and the rest are good comprehensives.

Private schools are the Omani serving equivalent of the expat school system. The rest are government schools.

Arabic - there’s no need to learn but if you have the basics it would go down very well and I would start off by learning the greetings. I can recommend someone if you would still like to consider classes but again there really is need.

Regarding home help - don’t let yourself be put off having it. Just make sure that anything you would ask of your help is only something you would do to keep your house at the standards you live by. If you decide it’s not something you would do then don’t ask your housekeeper/part time cleaner to do it. Remember that every woman you come across here as an expat is someone’s daughter/sister etc. Treat them as you would want the women in your family to be treated. Yes, some of the men and women who arrive here to work are mistreated but the greater majority are not, and nowadays the government has things in place to protect those who are mistreated. People do not get off lightly for doing it. Oman is also doing very good work to combat people trafficking.

Criticising the RF - of course people can but it wouldn’t be appreciated by the national community as it’s their RF to criticise and no one else’s.

Women’s rights - women and girls do have rights but you really do have to be part of the national community (as I am) to know the extent of them. It helps blow smoke on the claim they don’t. The days of women belonging in the kitchen are long gone and Omani women are very ambitious and very high achieving.

Freedom of expression and censorship - our online forums certainly prove otherwise.

Premarital relationships - it happens and the authorities are aware it happens.

Gay people - people who live here and know the society intimately know what the score is. The real score. Not the one suggested on this thread.

Sharia law - we have a dual legal system going on. It’s only the most serious of cases that would go to the Sharia court. We have family courts and courts for lesser crimes where punishments are given according to a modern day equivalency outwith of Sharia. We do have the death sentence but it happens very very rarely, usually when a family won’t forgive someone for murder for example. Rape is one of the crimes covered but the death sentence.

Can people vote? Absolutely. People have had voting rights for years and women also stand for election.

Faith - if you are a CHristian you will find churches to go to. There are also temples etc for those following other faiths.

Im going to bed now OP and if I have time over the next few days I’ll some back and answer anything I’ve missed out on going through the posts here.

I’m glad you’re enjoying Oman and although people may look at me and think I’m an ordinary 70 year old British expat wifey the fact is I’m not. I live my life as part of the local community and have done for decades so what you are hearing from me is fact based on a lifetime of experience and intimate knowledge of how society works. One other thing I will say is that never once in my 50 years have I ever ran down the UK and never once have I said I would never return even though the latter is highly unlikely. Every country in the world has both good points and bad and when it comes to it both the UK and Oman are very good places to live and bring up a family. It might help you to think of things like this - if push ever came to shove would I only ever go back to the UK kicking and screaming or would I be happy to say - thank God I can go back to the UK despite its many faults.

Im sorry you’ve had a such a hard time on this thread but it’s only ever par for the course when the Gulf States are mentioned. Done take the posts personally and if you would ever like to know more about living in Oman that is based in reality rather than some of the nonsense or times here I’d be happy to talk to you about it. Also, if you are ever homesick. Just come back to the thread and we can find a way to link up. I don’t know if the PM system works or not.

DebbieSavage · Today 19:27

I just love all the people criticising the OP for daring to move to a muslim country as if the UK and the majority of Western Europe is not on that trajectory itself. Islam is growing religion, more and more people are coming to realise that the meaning of life is more than just rampant consumerism and the accumulation of wealth above all else.

It might not be you or your children, but their children will be the fortunate ones reaping the benefits of Sharia and shedding the vestiges of secular nihilism in place of an existence of greater meaning outside oneself.

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · Today 19:29

Shariah?

Ponoka7 · Today 19:30

ilovemylogburner · Today 18:45

I think there needs to more honest conversation about why so many people want to leave the UK. They are vilified and mocked, but why is it happening and what is the net effect?

Usually issues caused by mass immigration, so they move to a country that they don't speak the language of, don't share the religion, have no shared history, but earn enough to be lifted out of the human rights abuses, so it's all good. It's even better when they speak of knuckle draggers in this country, then go to a country that has sexism, homophobia and racism built in to their laws. But Oman has committed to ending child and forced marriage by 2030, so that's good.

ilovemylogburner · Today 19:30

issyforqueen · Today 19:24

Is that a genuine question! 😅

It is. Your area is apparently nice and crime free. Good for you, is that why you chose it? Perhaps ops area wasn’t so nice? Perhaps she could not afford to live in such a nice area as you? But you call her out, regardless.
As for me? I live in a very “naice” area, no issues here. But, I do travel a lot, usually for work, hence my two unfortunate experiences.

issyforqueen · Today 19:32

ilovemylogburner · Today 19:30

It is. Your area is apparently nice and crime free. Good for you, is that why you chose it? Perhaps ops area wasn’t so nice? Perhaps she could not afford to live in such a nice area as you? But you call her out, regardless.
As for me? I live in a very “naice” area, no issues here. But, I do travel a lot, usually for work, hence my two unfortunate experiences.

I'm not going to dignify that with s response.
"Do you never leave your area?".
How utterly ridiculous.

localnotail · Today 19:32

DebbieSavage · Today 19:27

I just love all the people criticising the OP for daring to move to a muslim country as if the UK and the majority of Western Europe is not on that trajectory itself. Islam is growing religion, more and more people are coming to realise that the meaning of life is more than just rampant consumerism and the accumulation of wealth above all else.

It might not be you or your children, but their children will be the fortunate ones reaping the benefits of Sharia and shedding the vestiges of secular nihilism in place of an existence of greater meaning outside oneself.

I'm sorry to say this to you but you are talking utter inflammatory right wing bollocks.

ilovemylogburner · Today 19:32

issyforqueen · Today 19:32

I'm not going to dignify that with s response.
"Do you never leave your area?".
How utterly ridiculous.

Right, you can’t answer. Excellent.

thepariscrimefiles · Today 19:33

Charlottian · Today 16:50

I congratulate you!

Personally, I love the UK and I will never leave (unless Nigel takes over, then I may consider it).

The sort of people who move to the Gulf states and slag off the UK are the ones who would rush back if Nigel became PM.

issyforqueen · Today 19:34

ilovemylogburner · Today 19:32

Right, you can’t answer. Excellent.

I can answer. It's one of the silliest questions I've ever heard. Honestly.
This ends here.

HandPulledNoodles · Today 19:34

DebbieSavage · Today 19:27

I just love all the people criticising the OP for daring to move to a muslim country as if the UK and the majority of Western Europe is not on that trajectory itself. Islam is growing religion, more and more people are coming to realise that the meaning of life is more than just rampant consumerism and the accumulation of wealth above all else.

It might not be you or your children, but their children will be the fortunate ones reaping the benefits of Sharia and shedding the vestiges of secular nihilism in place of an existence of greater meaning outside oneself.

It's quite something to lecture everyone about rampant consumerism on a thread where the OP is boasting about having more disposable income, private schooling and private healthcare. The irony is apparently completely lost on you.

People can find meaning in religion without wanting religious law imposed on everyone else. Secularism isn't nihilism. It's what allows you to practise your faith without insisting everyone else lives by it.

Persephonia1966 · Today 19:34

MerryAquaKoala · Today 17:01

Oman is beautiful and some call it the Switzerland of the ME, politically. Having lived in the ME (not Oman) I found it easier than the UK in many ways, and not so much, in other ways. However it's not really directly comparable. Do you live in a compound or similar? Personally I wouldn't live in the ME at this time, it's too precarious (more now than the last 10 years).

The UK gets a lots of stick (usually from people who haven't travelled a lot) but having travelled the world and lived in several different countries, the UK is head and shoulders above most. Healthcare, Education, LGB rights, Women's rights, workers rights etc etc etc. It's also a beautiful place.

If I lived anywhere in the Middle East it probably would be Oman.
I did live in the Netherlands and am happy to compare Britain negatively to that where it warranted. I think seeing the two countries change over the last 15 years really did highlight how well the "Austerity" experiment the Conservatives ran in the UK worked (ie not well at all). But it's not perfect. I actually think the NHS is a better system even if it's struggling now.
I don't think there is a problem with noticing individual things being done better abroad. But it is odd when people go somewhere and immediately have an attitude of "this is all fantastic, the UK sucks". Especially if you aren't comparing like with like. Eg in the ME it's possible to have a frictionless life if you are wealthy because of servants etc. Those servants lives are not frictionless just as many peoples lives in the UK aren't.

Autumnalhibernationisthedream · Today 19:35

Irish but no matter what the lovely aspects of all the various parts of Europe, Australia and other parts my friends have visited or lived in, or I’ve lived in I will say there is nowhere in the world I’d rather live than Ireland but the only place I would consider after that would be the uk. Maybe you’ll never miss it but your children might return one day and experience the pride and ahhhhh feeling

FreitagUs · Today 19:35

DH has finally had his work transfer + promotion come through to the area. We can't wait!

We've visited the area before on holiday (during UK winter months) and it's so lovely and safe. Took my young DDs around and wasn't worried for our safety at all. There's no personal income tax, no CGT though we know Oman has a 5% tax rate over income above 100k. That's barely anything. A place where you can actually keep what you earn, build business and your career and have near 0 petty crime.

ilovemylogburner · Today 19:35

issyforqueen · Today 19:34

I can answer. It's one of the silliest questions I've ever heard. Honestly.
This ends here.

Because you refuse to answer my very legitimate questions? Of course, if you wish.