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Moving abroad has made me realise how bloody dire the UK is

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MattHancocksPrivateNurse · Today 16:36

We moved abroad 4 months ago and after the normal wobbles and adjustments I am now shocked at how different (and much better!) life is. We have considerably more spending money despite paying for private school and healthcare (which are much much better than the UK). It’s safer, considerably cleaner, better public services and much better food quality.

already I can’t see us ever going back and already want to explore somewhere new eventually! But if anyone is feeling low and despondent about the uk which we really were and gets an opportunity (or has a transferable job) I would 100000% recommend looking into it.

i wish we had done it 10 years ago tbh. AIBU to never come back bar the odd visit to see family and friends?!

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FrodoBiggins · Today 20:51

Ubertomusic · Today 20:38

leading some low-income laborers to live in cramped or impoverished conditions.

We have zero hours workers living in horrible slums here in the UK. Is that OK?

No it's not OK here. In fact it's illegal here! Hth.

MyFriendNorman · Today 20:51

MattHancocksPrivateNurse · Today 16:41

We’ve moved to the Oman which I know mumsnet hates the ME but so far it’s been great. Husbands insurance is covered, ours was £3000 for myself and 3 kids for very good coverage. No I will take Arabic lessons and kids learn it in school but everyone speaks English!

You are living the privileged expat lifestyle. You are not living as an Omani. So you are definitely being unreasonable. Surely you can see that!

DebbieSavage · Today 20:51

TheCoolTiger · Today 20:42

I would love to move somewhere else but can’t with the ties we have. Lots of defensiveness on this thread but most sensible people know the UK is in a parlous state. The economy is in an atrocious state (far worse than in Liz Truss’s time!) with the debt and the welfare budget sinking us, and mass immigration massively affecting community relations. Unemployment, especially for the young, is appalling, and the cost of living keeps inexorably rising. The one thing that stands out is the lack of hope. None of the big issues are being tackled, and taxes and borrowing are just to keep spiralling.

Talk of women’s rights is interesting. Ask the women of Piddington how safe they and their daughters feel.

The women of Piddington have more to fear from their brothers and husbands than the refugees taking sanctuary nearby. No need to spread any more xenophobic fear to the ignorant masses, if the government thought these people were legitimately dangerous they wouldn't let them in the country.

NormasArse · Today 20:53

MattHancocksPrivateNurse · Today 16:41

We’ve moved to the Oman which I know mumsnet hates the ME but so far it’s been great. Husbands insurance is covered, ours was £3000 for myself and 3 kids for very good coverage. No I will take Arabic lessons and kids learn it in school but everyone speaks English!

Good for you. I’d hate it- I want to live somewhere lush, green and coastal. I’ll stay here thanks.

Kulwinder54 · Today 20:53

Oman?? No thanks

Ubertomusic · Today 20:54

FrodoBiggins · Today 20:51

No it's not OK here. In fact it's illegal here! Hth.

Yet it's the reality 🤷‍♀️

Thedogscollar · Today 20:54

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · Today 20:51

I think you must have lived here a very long time ago as your points on Oman are so outdated,

there has never been so many places to eat out and alcohol is more available than before.

The BSM is no longer considered the gold standard of community/embassy school. ABA and TAISM are equally impressive.

Our government health service is fabulous and there are many excellent private hospitals are. Oh and just to add that Omani’s make up about 65% of hospital consultants in Oman.

Club membership at the Intercon? You really were here a very long time ago.

Ramadan - has the same rules as Dubai.

You couldn’t wait to leave after 5 years? Yes. I can well imagine that from your post. In fact I’m not even sure why you felt your experience would be relevant given how long it is since you’ve lived here.

Christ almighty you're so bloody rude and know it all.

VeryQuaintIrene · Today 20:55

Not to be a Debbie Downer, but 4 months is nothing. I've never been to Oman but I have lived abroad for 30 odd years and it was at the 2 year mark that acute homesickness started to set in, not to mention eventual issues with aging parents etc.

YouareJustApreciousLittleGem · Today 21:05

you can't move me to the Middle East even with your husband's salary. The UK is still best place to be

Imdunfer · Today 21:06

IzzyGone · Today 20:51

I said to my friend one day

"why do you have numbers stickers across your laptop case?"

"Well if I leave it in the cafe then someone will telephone me and tell me I left it there"

Don't expect that her in Uk, it will be stolen"

"really? why?"

Oman is much safer than many other countries

she was very proud of the Sultan and was he had done for the country, bring it up into the new century and having modern ways of thinking.

he mother is 58 and has 14 children, her eldest child is 43

They are doctors, surgeons, pharmacists, engineers and have studied and worked in Australia, Germany UK

Life though is very different

My friend left her phone in a public loo. The person who found it expanded the home screen photo of her dog, read her phone number off the dog collar tag and rang her to tell her he had it.

I forget my bag on a regular basis. It's never been stolen.

Husband left his laptop in a case on a train on Tuesday last. It didn't get stolen.

There are a lot of good people in the UK.

DorsetKnobBiscuit · Today 21:07

VeryQuaintIrene · Today 20:55

Not to be a Debbie Downer, but 4 months is nothing. I've never been to Oman but I have lived abroad for 30 odd years and it was at the 2 year mark that acute homesickness started to set in, not to mention eventual issues with aging parents etc.

Totally agree. After the 2 year mark I started to miss family and friends and just the Britishness of Britain. Amazing how you can crave the smell in the air on Bonfire Night, the pub quiz and a bacon sarnie with ketchup in a station cafe on a wet Tuesday. I longed for church bells so much that when I came home I bought the house next to the church. People said I'd be moaning about it in a month but nope, still appreciate it every single time.

TheTwerkingDuchessOfMonteshitshow · Today 21:07

Thedogscollar · Today 20:54

Christ almighty you're so bloody rude and know it all.

Yes. 50 years in a country can help when it comes to knowing how a country works in the present and recognising someone from the old days who can’t see that time doesn’t stand still anywhere.

You couldn’t wait to leave Oman and that’s okay but again just how you thought your post would be helpful in the present day is beyond me.

Fact - I’m telling you how it is nowadays and I’m sorry if the reality isn’t something you want to be made aware of.

DebbieSavage · Today 21:09

Imdunfer · Today 21:06

My friend left her phone in a public loo. The person who found it expanded the home screen photo of her dog, read her phone number off the dog collar tag and rang her to tell her he had it.

I forget my bag on a regular basis. It's never been stolen.

Husband left his laptop in a case on a train on Tuesday last. It didn't get stolen.

There are a lot of good people in the UK.

"There are a lot of good people in the UK"

Hahaha!! 🤣 thanks for the laugh @Imdunfer

DorsetKnobBiscuit · Today 21:10

Imdunfer · Today 21:06

My friend left her phone in a public loo. The person who found it expanded the home screen photo of her dog, read her phone number off the dog collar tag and rang her to tell her he had it.

I forget my bag on a regular basis. It's never been stolen.

Husband left his laptop in a case on a train on Tuesday last. It didn't get stolen.

There are a lot of good people in the UK.

My DH found a phone on a bench today here in Dorset. He couldn't ring the next of kin because he didn't have the number but they guy who lost it phoned him from his wife's phone.

DH drove the phone round to him straight away. Bloke gave him a tenner for a drink which DH tried repeatedly to turn down but the bloke would not have it.

Millions of stories like this every single day.

DorsetKnobBiscuit · Today 21:10

DebbieSavage · Today 21:09

"There are a lot of good people in the UK"

Hahaha!! 🤣 thanks for the laugh @Imdunfer

Debbie Savage isn't a genuine poster.

FrodoBiggins · Today 21:11

DebbieSavage · Today 21:09

"There are a lot of good people in the UK"

Hahaha!! 🤣 thanks for the laugh @Imdunfer

This is so sad. Maybe you live in a shit area? Or don't go out?

FreitagUs · Today 21:12

Wewinnow · Today 20:27

Oman? Are you having a laugh?
Culturally, I would miss the variety of British theatre especially small scale, fringe productions.
I would miss church choirs and the sheer number and range of concerts that are available in the UK. I know there is some top rate classical music and opera in Oman but there aren't the same amount of opportunities by any stretch of the imagination.
Today, I went to the Renoir exhibition at the National Gallery - couldn’t have done that if I lived in Oman. You’re out of luck if you’re interested in following the contemporary art scene if you live in Oman too.
There are also a lot fewer opportunities to attend book festivals, music festivals, comedy shows - the list of things you and your daughters will miss out on in Oman is endless.
Plus, it’s too hot. You’ll be trapped indoors where there’s air conditioning for much of the year.
Not to mention the issues around worker’s rights, women’s rights, gay rights etc which I personally couldn’t turn a blind eye to.
The locals really do despise you as well. It’s all fake OP. Living on a “compound”sounds totally soulless too.
Above all, I would be frightened about the proximity of war. It’s not safe there whatever they tell you.

There's lots of cultural stuff to do and see in Muscat

DorsetKnobBiscuit · Today 21:12

FrodoBiggins · Today 21:11

This is so sad. Maybe you live in a shit area? Or don't go out?

Or perhaps s/he gets what he gives out.

Thedogscollar · Today 21:13

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Miwadi · Today 21:16

MattHancocksPrivateNurse · Today 17:11

This attitude and bitterness is what we left behind. Everyone here has been so welcoming, it feels a positive environment for kids with hope for the future. In the UK everyone was desperate to drag you down if you want better

Well, this is exactly the calibre of ‘I’m all right Jack’ under-thinking that characterises British people who don’t read the papers or do basic research before they move somewhere. but I think this thread is a wind- up. No one is so politically illiterate that they move to an absolute monarchy where political parties or having a public meeting are illegal, which is at significant water risk, next door to the Strait of Hormuz in 2026, and say ‘Oh, everyone’s so welcoming and we can afford a private school!’

PurpleThistle7 · Today 21:16

probably not a ‘positive environment for kids’ for my Jewish children eh? Or their gay grandmother? What a cesspool of a place.

I am an immigrant so absolutely no judgement on finding a place that works for you (legally) but think I’d be hard pressed to feel happy for a friend immigrating to a country I’m not welcome to visit.

RapunzelHadExtensions · Today 21:16

Greenseawitch · Today 16:57

Oman?

I assume you are not too bothered moving to a country where you can't criticise the ruling royal family, where women and girls don't have the same rights as men, where homosexuality is illegal, where you don't have freedom of expression and there is censorship.

Not the environment I would want kids to grow in just for the sake of having a bit more money.

👏

I knew it was going to be the ME before you even said it. People who move their tend to always try and sing it's praises, like they're trying to prove something

You crack on OP, but I'd rather have a more expensive food shop than move somewhere where if I split up from my babies father:

'The law automatically recognizes the father as the legal guardian of the children, regardless of whether a court orders the children to live with their mother. Furthermore, if a divorced mother chooses to remarry, she automatically loses legal custody of her children'

Laura9899 · Today 21:16

Oh god, I was almost jealous til you said Oman.

runnerducky · Today 21:17

Opened this interested to see where the new place was, saw it was ME, didn’t read any further. No thanks.

cityliving99 · Today 21:18

All my friends who lived there while working for Shell, said it was a bit like a never ending Club Med holiday. The lovely villas, sailing at weekends, never ending parties and coffees in the Shell village. But then it got extremely dull. The same people. The same gossip. Nothing of real worth. Just a very easy life. Sounds great, but after a while something is missing.