To believe the team “Karen” isn’t misogynistic

[SummerAsh]

To start with… I don’t like the term. It can’t be pleasant if you are actually called Karen. And I don’t believe I’ve ever used it….

But I don’t see why it is misogynistic…. Unless someone says that all women are Karens. Some women are just insufferable, the same way some men are. Admitting this doesn’t make you misogynistic! And more than calling someone a Dick makes that person a misandrist.

Bandying the word “misogyny” around whenever anyone says anything that’s not completely complimentary about a woman just devalues the word, and makes it more difficult to call out real misogyny.

Well if they didn’t act like a Karen dare open their mouths and - the shock! the horror! - advocate for themselves they wouldn’t need shutting down in the first place would they🤷‍♀️

There, fixed that for you.

I agree.

But also, not ‘just’ older women. It’s become so lazy, it’s any women really, daring to counter a particular narrative.

Never ever heard, or saw, this in all the places I see ‘Karen’ used eg insta comments

You need to look more widely then, especially in social media commentary.

But regardless, even in the scenario you describe of an unpleasant woman complaining needlessly and rudely - why is she a ‘Karen’? Why not simply address the behaviour, instead of misappropriating, senselessly, another woman’s name? What point does that make?

Ive called them lots of different names, including cunt and dick. Karen is just another word and it doesnt really seem right calling a man Karen, Susan or whatever. People who get offended by it just have way to much time on their hands and looking for something to gripe about. None of it is that deep.

But ‘Karen’ is not ‘just another word’? It’s a woman’s name. Usually a woman of a certain age.

How is it equivalent to another insulting term like ‘bitch’ or ‘prick’? Not that I’m keen on simply using insulting names to provide a counter-argument, regardless.

I’m amazed you are unable to see the difference.

Dick is a man's name and men also get called cunts. None of them are pleasant or endearing. I dont see how Karen is any different? I feel bad for women who are actually called Karen because their name is now used as an insult but thats it.

Ive never heard it used by a man

I dont have a strong feeling about it but Ive only really heard it used by young women

No, there are women who are insufferable, come on.

It's an absolutely awful term. There isn't a male equivalent: dck is used as cnt is (and c*nt is regarded as far worse of course). It stops older women being able to speak up on anything at all and enforces the status wuo that they are worthless snd invisible. If the focus is those that stick up for community rights and responsibilities, then imagine a society where those were never enforced.

Don't support anything that causes women to be scared to speak up.

It's pretty popular insult from teen boys around here. And of course it's misogynistic - if a man tells them to stop misbehaving (i.e riding scooters on pavements in such a way to endanger pedestrians), they tend to scatter. If a woman does the same it's "fuck off Karen".

Or maybe you don’t need to insult people- you just do you.

It’s misogynist, unimaginative and stupid.

Normally used by men/boys who can’t cope with women who stand up for themselves.

It’s a negative term aimed at older white women.

Dick is a cock as well as a man’s name and when people call someone a dick ( no capital letter needed) they are suggesting they are a bit of a cock.

And when people call a woman a Karen, its because shes being a Karen. 😆

Nothing funny about using ageist sexist stereotypes to put a women down.

Oh I forgot racist (it’s early).

I just assume anyone using that term is a bit thick with a limited vocabulary. People resort to name calling when they feel threatened but don't have the intelligence to form an actual opinion.

This, personally I believe most women who get called “karen” are the only thing standing between us and civilisational collapse.

We don’t have a similar name for men, weird that….

I have a theory that it’s to do with male latent anger at their mothers “you don’t tell me what to do” and young women who are being total “pick me’s”. If somethings wrong you should be able to bloody well say so.

I agree with you too but most people on here won't 🙂

It came from America though and like many things from America it doesnt fit with our norms and issues.

You wouldn't like it here in Australia we call our friends cunts 😂😂😂

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The worst type of misogyny is when it’s from a woman.

There's probably no difference between the countries. But I know that you know that if it's used in anger it's very aggressive.