To believe the team “Karen” isn’t misogynistic

[SummerAsh]

To start with… I don’t like the term. It can’t be pleasant if you are actually called Karen. And I don’t believe I’ve ever used it….

But I don’t see why it is misogynistic…. Unless someone says that all women are Karens. Some women are just insufferable, the same way some men are. Admitting this doesn’t make you misogynistic! And more than calling someone a Dick makes that person a misandrist.

Bandying the word “misogyny” around whenever anyone says anything that’s not completely complimentary about a woman just devalues the word, and makes it more difficult to call out real misogyny.

Of course it's misogyny.
You're either woefully naive or trolling OP.

And none of them taught you when an apostrophe is or isn’t appropriate…

I feel if Rebecca West was alive today she would have altered her famous quote to say that she got called a Karen whenever she expressed a sentiment that differentiated her from a doormat.

And how exactly do you define " acting like a Karen"?

Why do you feel the need to correct someone’s grammar? Can you work out what the comment means? If not, you have bigger problems than too many apostrophes.

It's used to shut women down,of course it's misogynistic. Nothing worse than a woman complaining is there?

I've heard Darren as the male equivalent. And I guess himbo.

Why do you feel the need to address my observation?

I think it’s what the term represents. A woman of a certain age, who looks a certain way, who complains. So basically if you challenge or question anything it’s used to put you back in your box as it were. It diminishes women in the sense that if someone calls you it they are basically eye rolling and saying “calm down dear” in a ruder way. That’s my view of it and why i don’t particularly like it.

How much legal training do you have? Because a judge said it is. It is used specifically to put down people of a certain age and who are female. Even if someone tells a ten year old boy he's acting like a Karen, they're effectively saying that he is acting like a whiny middle-aged woman who has the temerity to stand up for herself.
It also dismisses the fact that someone called Karen is quite likely to be dealing with older relatives and children while working, and going through menopause while having to cope with life admin for all these things-and recognising how much worse it is than it should be; she remembers when you could easily get to see your GP at a moment's notice and does not want to be called unreasonable when she is desperately waiting weeks to secure healthcare she's paid for all her life.
All the Karens I've met tend to be a bit older than me, and they were (maybe) the first generation to work FT when dealing with everything, and expected to deal daily with sexism, meaning people my age suffered less of it in their first job. They shouldn't be having to deal with this slur now they're (on average) hitting midlife.

😂

This explains it.

i hate the term with a vengeance and would look down on anyone who used it irl

The posters who use the term are not showing themselves in a good light anyway

Of course it's misogynist. And ageist. There's no male equivalent, is there.

Thank you! I thought it was just me...they're everywhere, sadly.

If women see it enough times and it makes them think if I complain, I'm going to be called a Karen, that raises a problem of prejudice. Which sad person decided this was a thing in the first place, Unless you're breaking the law in complaining, you have every right to do so. In fact, doesn't the name derive from the States in racism? How can one form of racism be combated by emplying another form???

And what exactly is behaving like a "Karen"?
I ask because its normally used when an older woman is making a valid complaint about shitty service, that somebody else thinks that she should just put up with.
So yes "Karen" is not only a misogynistic slur but its ageist too, the fact that you think that its appropriate to use to shut down valid complaints says more about you than it does of the women who it is used against.
May I suggest that you think about why its only used to shutdown older women and why there isn't a similar term for men who complain about the same things.

In the UK the men and women equally can be called dicks.

I don't think its misogynist per se but it is aimed at women. However dick, wanker, prick bastard are all aimed at men and are equally sexist. I guess it's it's same as bitch, which is also shot down as misogynist however I don't think so. It's related to women, and some women are bitches in my opinion. Some words are related to sex and thats ok, I however hate the term Karen because it's offensive to people called Karen. Some women claim everything negative or critical relating to women is misogynist. Some seem to believe that women collectively are of a shared opinion, or shouldn't have accountability, or are always have victim status and require protection, which ironically is a particularly misogynist viewpoint.

Edited to add I think it is more an ageist term than anything else. It tells you more about the person using it than the person it is aimed at

I never use it, but use the term birds, among friends.

Is it Karen, is it really? 😂

It’s a thick term used by thick people. If you can’t see why it’s misogynistic then you’re a bit thick.

Wow. There's a reason why if it's used directly to another poster on here it's deemed a personal attack and is deleted.

Its misogynistic because it reduces women to a reductive pejorative stereotype to put them in their place based on a preconceived idea of what an 'older' woman is ' actually like' and the irrelevance of their views or feelings compared to the 'real world ' ...

I wonder if you'd feel the same if instead of "Karen" the reductive insult name was a popular of someone, perhaps in their 30s. ?

' Oh ignore her, shes just being an Emily/Chloe/ Jessica/Lucy/Ella/ Hannah ....'

Careful or you'll be labelled a Karen next