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How is this boy not considered dangerous? I am shocked

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shooooes · Yesterday 09:33

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5398n821rlko

14 year old boy stalked and stabbed a girl who refused to date him, however was deemed not dangerous by a judge and given a restraining order. What goes through these judge's minds? Unbelievable.

CCTV of boy carrying knife in shop. He is stood in the middle of the aisle between the till and some shelves, which are full of products. He is wearing a light grey hoodie and jeans. His face is blurred.

Mother wants justice after boy's 'evil' knife attack on her daughter

The 14-year-old girl could have died in the frenzied attack, her mother says.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5398n821rlko

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JHound · Yesterday 10:30

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · Yesterday 10:24

After the girl ended their brief relationship, she blocked the boy's number on her phone to prevent him from contacting her. While there is no suggestion this led to the attack, the Hollie Gazzard Trust, a Gloucestershire charity that aims to raise awareness of and help reduce domestic violence, warned obsessed partners are "more likely to physically come round and find you" when blocked.
Jane Harvey, the charity's chief executive, added: "If we have to go down the route of reporting to police and getting the criminal justice system involved, what we need is evidence of the unwanted contact in order for the police to be able to prosecute the case.
"By blocking someone, we potentially lose evidence that could help secure something like a conviction or a restraining order."

I understand what they mean about needed evidence for the RO (which let's face it he's probably going to ignore anyway) but to me this is pretty cold from a woman's charity. So this girl was just expected to put up with being stalked with unwanted messages because the boy wouldn't be told no.

I don’t think it’s cold. It’s simply providing w about the reality of evidence needed for an RO.

Lifeomars · Yesterday 10:30

Ritaskitchen · Yesterday 09:44

Judges are bound by sentencing guidelines I think. So they are restricted about what they can do/say- despite what they might thing personally.
There are some books around this - Unlawful killings by Wendy Joseph QC is very good.
Also The Secret Barrister is an excellent book too.

I've not read the Wendy Joseph book, will look for it. The Secret Barrister one is excellent, I also follow them on Bluesky. As for this case, it makes my blood run cold and i feel such concern for the victim. It takes so much courage to report, then to go through the court process and for what? he's out there leading his life while she will be dealing with the negative effects of this crime forever. I am a survivor and it changes you, I am much better than i was when it all happened but I will now never go out alone after dark for the rest of my life. There are still things that trigger me but good therapy has given me useful techniques for dealing with them.

Emilesgran · Yesterday 10:31

AmberTigerEyes · Yesterday 10:17

Because I think a four year prison sentence is about right for groping.

The sentence was 46 WEEKS in the above example. Not 46 months.

GreenCaterpillarOnALeaf · Yesterday 10:32

That’s insane and to be honest if someone did that to my daughter and faced no consequences I would be a danger to them even if the judge thinks they’re not a danger.

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · Yesterday 10:34

But he literally cannot be jailed, he's 14, YOI start age 15.

What else could the punishment have been I don't know.

AmberTigerEyes · Yesterday 10:34

Emilesgran · Yesterday 10:31

The sentence was 46 WEEKS in the above example. Not 46 months.

Oops you’re right. My mistake.

Jamlighter · Yesterday 10:35

dangrousness has a specific meaning in law and that is what is meant when courts refer to it

DrumsPleaseFab · Yesterday 10:35

No danger to society, only a danger to girls he wants to own, so that is ok then. The men do not need to worry as he is not coming for them…. it’s only girls who are in danger= no threat to society 🤷‍♀️

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · Yesterday 10:36

JHound · Yesterday 10:30

I don’t think it’s cold. It’s simply providing w about the reality of evidence needed for an RO.

But women and girls are just expected to put up with potentially hundreds of unwan and potentially disturbing messages until it reaches that threshold.

They could maybe suggest muting his messages or something. Instead society seems to expect girls to suck up harassment until the law decides its enough or the boy gets sufficiently angry to stab her.

Paganpentacle · Yesterday 10:37

AmberTigerEyes · Yesterday 10:17

Because I think a four year prison sentence is about right for groping.

He wont do 4 years.
He'll be out in no time, free to sexually assault again.

Este67 · Yesterday 10:37

nomas · Yesterday 10:27

Racist against who? The attacker looks white.

I'd bet the poster who made that comment didn't actually look at the details of the article and just made the assumption the attacker was black given the subject matter...oh the irony.

shooooes · Yesterday 10:38

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · Yesterday 10:34

But he literally cannot be jailed, he's 14, YOI start age 15.

What else could the punishment have been I don't know.

Not true. Children can be incarcerated from 10 years old. Just not in an adult prison.

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Happyjoe · Yesterday 10:38

Too lenient, like those lads who raped the poor girl and got off, until public outrage.
There needs to be public outrage with this too - this must be attempted murder, surely? The law is an ass as they say.

Womanofcustard · Yesterday 10:39

We really need to look at the ‘age of responsibility’. Many of these ‘boys’ are physically men, dangerous men, we can no longer afford to regard them as children. Naming and shaming and detention.
The SNP government here want to give 16 year olds the vote!
It doesn’t make sense.

Spaniels4Eva · Yesterday 10:43

This is a local story and the Mum of the girl has been very vocal on local news about their horror/frustration at this sentence.

If this kid is that dangerous at 14/15, god help the women who encounter him as an adult. He's been given a free pass to carry on behaving this way.

Weeellokthen · Yesterday 10:54

Poor girl. If it wasn't in that shop and if it wasn't for that shopkeeper then this could have been a very different story.
For the person who mentioned race, I wonder if the shopkeeper was not white 🤔

GoodBones · Yesterday 11:00

Jamlighter · Yesterday 10:35

dangrousness has a specific meaning in law and that is what is meant when courts refer to it

Came here to say this. The legal definition of ‘dangerous’ is not the same as the dictionary definition of dangerous.

Puzzledandpissedoff · Yesterday 11:01

AmberTigerEyes · Yesterday 10:21

A restraining order has specific requirements and is not being bailed. They are very different. A restraining order usually says where he can and cannot go, has a curfew, regular check ins with the police and usually court ordered rehabilitation- ie anger management therapy, a deradicalisation course, and so on.

If he violates any term, he goes straight to jail. It is nothing like being on bail.

You're right about the difference between a restraining order and bail, but I certainly wouldn't want to assume breaking it would automatically lead to jail

They're "full", remember, so when (inevitably) he reoffends I've not the least doubt another excuse for inaction will be found

LBFseBrom · Yesterday 11:05

I don't get it at all. There must be more to this than meets the eye but, even so, a stabbing is a stabbing.

We don't know enough about it. Has he been incarcerated for the last six months, maybe given treatment-medication?

Without full facts, we cannot judge but, on the face of it, his sentence is too lenient.

There is another case, quite horrific, in the news at the moment but we are told a lot more about the teenage perpetrator: www.itv.com/news/anglia/2026-10-07/masked-schoolboy-who-stabbed-girl-went-not-to-learn-but-to-kill

nomas · Yesterday 11:07

Weeellokthen · Yesterday 10:54

Poor girl. If it wasn't in that shop and if it wasn't for that shopkeeper then this could have been a very different story.
For the person who mentioned race, I wonder if the shopkeeper was not white 🤔

What does that mean?

Suchevilforebodings · Yesterday 11:09

AmberTigerEyes · Yesterday 09:51

If the sexual assault was rape, I agree.

But sexual assault also covers any unwanted touching of a sexual nature.

If you sexually assault anyone in ANY way, you deserve much longer than 43 weeks

JHound · Yesterday 11:18

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · Yesterday 10:34

But he literally cannot be jailed, he's 14, YOI start age 15.

What else could the punishment have been I don't know.

Why do you think 14 year olds cannot be jailed? The boys who murdered James Bulger were (in a YO facility but still.)

EvilNextDoor · Yesterday 11:24

Surely this is wrong on so many levels…

Id happily support bringing institution for this kind of situation, say from the age of 12/13 upwards!

This country really can be a vile place to live for girls/women

AmandaHoldensLips · Yesterday 11:30

PlainSkyr · Yesterday 09:56

This seems like the real life version of ‘adolescence’ tv series. Except the girl didn’t die - but the intent, behaviour and misogyny is the same! And 14 years old too.

How can anyone think he’s NOT a danger? What stops him from trying to do the same to another girl? Does a girl have to die to imprison such a deviant boy/man?

Usually, yes.

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · Yesterday 11:31

JHound · Yesterday 11:18

Why do you think 14 year olds cannot be jailed? The boys who murdered James Bulger were (in a YO facility but still.)

One of them at least went into a secure children's home, I think the other in a secure unit. From the article it specifically talks about jail. Maybe I'm being too literal and she means in custody.

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